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Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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I actually subscribe to YT Premium. More than happy to for an ad-free experience. But that's tied to my personal account. Sometimes I want to watch a video on my work laptop, or just in incognito mode. I would find it incredibly irritating if that were blocked because I use an adblocker. In this case I've paid for no ads, I just don't want this particular video linked to my personal account.

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Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#982

It is not just about youtube. The whole internet is bloated with ads right now, and the vast majority of them quite the opposite of discrete. I just cannot browse the internet without adblocker, it is too slow, but more importantly too distracting. I could count the times that I have found an internet ad interesting in my lifetime using half the fingers of one hand. Personalised or not, the vast majority is useless,…

To me your view is just common sense. I find it bizarre how some people seem to be treating ad-blockers like the equivalent of stealing in the comments.

It is YouTube's right to prevent me from using their site if I use an ad-blocker just as much as it is my right to stop using their service altogether if they prevent me from using it with an ad-blocker.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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It is not just about youtube. The whole internet is bloated with ads right now, and the vast majority of them quite the opposite of discrete. I just cannot browse the internet without adblocker, it is too slow, but more importantly too distracting. I could count the times that I have found an internet ad interesting in my lifetime using half the fingers of one hand. Personalised or not, the vast majority is useless,…

To me your view is just common sense. I find it bizarre how some people seem to be treating ad-blockers like the equivalent of stealing in the comments. It is YouTube's right to prevent me from using their site if I use an ad-blocker just as much as it is my right to stop using their service altogether if they prevent me from using it with an ad-blocker.

I totally agree, even if I hate it. There are a lot of internet users out there who have this expectation that they are owed a certain level of access for free to these services. Those expectations aren't unfounded: most content on the internet has been, more or less, free to access. It was a good time, but surely we all knew that it couldn't last forever?

The era of ultra monetization we're being ushered into is new and obviously its going to create some discomfort.

But that doesn't change the reality that these expectations are totally irrational and unreasonable. We can argue that the information should be free, that content should be accessible, that the sharing and proliferation of information without barriers of entry benefit all of us in the short and long term. But those esoteric philosophies can't win a debate against a corporations desire or fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit.

Money is tight for everyone across the board, borrowed or not (except maybe for apple). Why wouldn't they amputate the minority of users who are only costing Youtube money? I can't think of a good argument against it, other than "I hate it".

People are enraged by Netflix cracking down on account sharing, people were enraged by article paywalls, and people are and will be enraged by Youtube blocking ad blockers.

Unlike Netflix and article paywalls, Youtube has no real viable competitor. I get why the NYT allows me to bypass their paywall with a browser extension: if they truly make it impossible for me to bypass the article, I'll be able to find some other website that has reposted or reworded it. I get why Netflix allows me to bypass their account sharing: if they make it impossible for me to view the content without paying, I can just torrent it.

But Youtube is uniquely different. The product there is not just the body of content but their ecosystem which contains essentially every video on the internet and all the connective tissue to traverse billions of minutes of video. I use an adblocker on Youtube, but if they lock me out of that option, I'll still use YouTube, because where else would I go? No where.

Maybe I won't go to Youtube as often, but they'll have effectively converted me from being an extremely active viewer getting a free ride to an infrequent semi-active viewer that generates revenue.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Inserting ads directly into the video stream doesn't seem to be counterable, no? It's not cheap, but might be worth it.

Sponsorblock can already block the youtuber's own ads where they tell you how great raid shadow legends is and to like and subscribe.

SponsorBlock works because those parts are at the same times for all viewers.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#985
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We all agree ads on Youtube are horrible. They waited until we were trapped there to turn them on. The price of Youtube prime is also insane compared to Netflix. What's the conclusion to this? Should Netflix start a Youtube competitor?

Youtube Premium is €11.99 per month here, including YouTube Music. Spotify is €9.99. The pricing seems very fair to me as long as you make use of the music offering.

22$ for family plan

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#986

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> I believe it is my right to adjust my browsing experience by affecting how websites are rendered in my browser to a degree I find reasonable, as well as from my side what data tracking I allow, which is already a huge compromise for me (I would rather not allow js by default in most websites). Agree completely. I know people who are fine with watching ads to support the content creators and I agree. The creators sh…

> Agree completely. I know people who are fine with watching ads to support the content creators and I agree. The creators should be compensated but Google are far too agressive with their ads. The part I dislike about this is that they will demonetize a video for content reasons, but still show ads on it. I also don't know how it works with YouTube Premium. If I have Premium and I watch a creator, does YouTube pay t…

Yes. In fact Youtube Premium views are much more valuable to the creator than an ad-supported view.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#987

It is not just about youtube. The whole internet is bloated with ads right now, and the vast majority of them quite the opposite of discrete. I just cannot browse the internet without adblocker, it is too slow, but more importantly too distracting. I could count the times that I have found an internet ad interesting in my lifetime using half the fingers of one hand. Personalised or not, the vast majority is useless,…

Bandcamp is interesting and I am considering it and cancel Spotify. How do you go about discovering music? I use Spotify for not only listening to my artists but for music discovery too.

Oof this is a great question, it actually deserves a thread of its own tbh. I do not think I have figured that out completely in a satisfactory way. Bandcamp is not that great at that as in providing a feed of songs suggested to you by your preferences, it does not have "autoplay", and searching for content in a more classic way there is messy. But it does provide a list of suggestions under each album, with a list of albums that a number of people who own that album also own, which is quite decent. It is particularly useful if what you want to find something that is similar to style to something you like. I find it quite reliable actually in finding similar stuff, probably because buying an album is quite strong measure to use to correlate albums.

Also, I find quite a few genre-specific compilations in bandcamp (and elsewhere), and this is probably my favourite way to discover new bands, because usually compilations include decent bands and some of their strongest tracks, so you do not get lost as much. And as far as internet is concerned, other places I find new inspiration are genre specific forums, pages etc, and actually pages/accounts of the bands themselves (they often suggest bands they themselves like - bandcamp has even an option for artists to recommend material from others to their audience, which is actually quite nice).

In general, I would say that discovering new music in bandcamp is possible, but it is rather an active process (you look into an album you like and browse through the suggested albums, play each of them etc) and takes time. In contrast, with dj youtube it is easier because it is predominantly passive, by automatically playing new suggested tracks and once in a while you hear sth that clicks. I admit that I have discovered some of my favourite bands through dj youtube this way. I have not used spotify but I assume it is somewhat similar?

Tbh I appreciate the active process, in the sense that I feel that the experience of the internet has become too passive, a very common experience is scrolling through lines, posts, pages of suggested content or letting one video play after the other, and everything is tailored/measured so that you scroll or watch more (and see more ads) being fed a constant stream of information typically with a very low signal to noise ratio. However, it is also nice sometimes to just relax and have an algorithm choose a next track because one has as much energy to spend in looking through stuff, and probably in music it works better than social media. I have not found something similar to that.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#988

YouTube premium perfectly showcases why ads dominate the internet, because even when there is a paid option for a service much cheaper than any alternative, people do not want to pay (And I am not talking about too broke to pay cases). Serving an infinite video catalog is very expensive in terms of all resources (And yes Netflix is not comparable, unlike YouTube, Netflix can highly leverage cache boxes at ISPs). Vime…

> YouTube premium perfectly showcases why ads dominate the internet, because even when there is a paid option for a service much cheaper than any alternative, people do not want to pay

I'd argue exactly the opposite, since over 25 million people pay for YouTube Premium.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#989

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At least for YT there's a solution: YT Premium. Sure, as other comments have said, it doesn't scale to all websites, but youtube isn't just any website.

I'm not paying for anything until they remove the "this is the bubble we have prepared for you" recommendation algorithm. Plus I gladly watch ads, but not the same ads (do the companies pay triple if I watch the same ad from them I wonder) ever again.

> I'm not paying for anything until they remove the "this is the bubble we have prepared for you" recommendation algorithm.

Indeed, and what bothers me most is that it is "one" bubble. I wish there was a selection of tags to choose what mood I am in. Sometimes I only want math and science suggestions, sometimes I want to watch 3Dprinting or FreeCAD video's and other times I just want to discover some music. But Youtube mixes these three different moods together (even though I never play music on Youtube in the morning, nor watch math video's in the late evening). Please Youtube, let me choose my current 'bubble'.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

#990
post #982

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me your view is just common sense. I find it bizarre how some people seem to be treating ad-blockers like the equivalent of stealing in the comments. It is YouTube's right to prevent me from using their site if I use an ad-blocker just as much as it is my right to stop using their service altogether if they prevent me from using it with an ad-blocker.

I totally agree, even if I hate it. There are a lot of internet users out there who have this expectation that they are owed a certain level of access for free to these services. Those expectations aren't unfounded: most content on the internet has been, more or less, free to access. It was a good time, but surely we all knew that it couldn't last forever? The era of ultra monetization we're being ushered into is new…

That brings an interesting question: Would people start torrenting YouTube if it becomes inaccessible without a subscription? YouTube is exploding with high-quality long-form content, maybe pirates will consider those kind of videos worthwhile to torrent? Maybe the creators themselves will consider it worthwhile to host them with their own subscriptions?
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