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Animals Are Dying in Droves. What Are They Telling Us?

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Re: Animals Are Dying in Droves. What Are They Telling Us?

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Post by jebarker »

timthelion wrote: post #5
jebarker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think lots of people care but nobody knows what to do.

I think that if everyone gave up air travel, individual automobile transport, and meat and dairy and lived in a max 110m2 apartment you could say that. But it seems that there are a lot of people who simply don't care.

"a lot of people who simply don't care" is not the same as "no one seems to care".

Furthermore, the challenge isn't in figuring out the individual changes you list it's figuring out how to convince everyone to adopt them.

Re: Animals Are Dying in Droves. What Are They Telling Us?

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Post by bee_rider »

timthelion wrote: post #5
jebarker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think lots of people care but nobody knows what to do.

I think that if everyone gave up air travel, individual automobile transport, and meat and dairy and lived in a max 110m2 apartment you could say that. But it seems that there are a lot of people who simply don't care.

I already live in a tiny apartment and take the bus to work, so clearly my individual contribution didn’t fix the problem.

I don’t know how to make everyone do that, so, I still don’t know what to do.

Re: Animals Are Dying in Droves. What Are They Telling Us?

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Post by erulabs »

At least in the case of the 200,000 Saiga Antelope, the cause appears to be bacteria/environment related:

> We ... thus concluded that P. multocida serotype B was the primary cause of the disease. [1]

> P. multocida is a ubiquitous organism, most probably widely present in the saiga antelope population in its latent form. The potential pathogenicity is inherent in the organism and can be triggered opportunistically at any time in response to environmental triggers. [1]

I used to think "environment changes" -> "animal populations must adapt, not always successfully". But what seems to be killing entire populations at a time is not mal-adaptation to environment per-say, but an otherwise dormant life-form that we live with every day, suddenly waking up and deciding its time to change the world.

It's not that 3C increase might make the globe too warm to be a comfortable place to life. It's that 3C increase might wake up an incredible evil that has been sleeping for a quarter million years. Evolution is a long-con - some of the billions of strains of dormant, boring, inactive bacterium we've yet to study may actually be the most sophisticated weapons the world has ever developed - just waiting for the right time to deploy themselves. We know there have been mass extinctions we've yet to understand, and we know most of them happened when the world was considerably warmer than it is today.

[1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6537709/

Re: Animals Are Dying in Droves. What Are They Telling Us?

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Post by DANmode »

camel-cdr wrote: post #9
timthelion wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that if everyone gave up air travel, individual automobile transport, and meat and dairy and lived in a max 110m2 apartment you could say that. But it seems that there are a lot of people who simply don't care.

I wonder why people down vote this Edit: it looks like the ratio has shifted now

Maybe they're in Nebraska.

Re: Animals Are Dying in Droves. What Are They Telling Us?

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Post by pwgentleman »

darkwraithcov wrote: post #2

There’s a mass extinction happening and no one seems to care. We may see a complete collapse of the ecosystem in the next 30 years.

The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate...

Re: Animals Are Dying in Droves. What Are They Telling Us?

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Post by bluefirebrand »

timthelion wrote: post #5
jebarker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think lots of people care but nobody knows what to do.

I think that if everyone gave up air travel, individual automobile transport, and meat and dairy and lived in a max 110m2 apartment you could say that. But it seems that there are a lot of people who simply don't care.

I would rather humanity have a bloody war that wipes out 90% of us than live the miserable life you have described.

My life does not fit within walking distance of a 110m2 box.

Re: Animals Are Dying in Droves. What Are They Telling Us?

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Post by bee_rider »

camel-cdr wrote: post #9
timthelion wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that if everyone gave up air travel, individual automobile transport, and meat and dairy and lived in a max 110m2 apartment you could say that. But it seems that there are a lot of people who simply don't care.

I wonder why people down vote this Edit: it looks like the ratio has shifted now

Because preventing climate change is a collective action problem, and the comment suggests a solution that would require every individual to spontaneously make the right decision.
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