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Re: Unrelated Words Puzzle

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Post by obituary_latte »

neilk wrote: post #5

I like it a lot, but it’s also frustrating. Perhaps it’s being hugged to death right now but the lookups are very slow, so when I disagree with the results it’s a bit painful. If the results were quicker it would not be so bad, I could try different things. I was a bit miffed that “currency” was not considered to be related to “mark”. Similarly I thought I’d found the perfect word between “ski” and “trust”, “mogul”,…

Agreed--I think it's overloaded at the moment. Not clear how it's supposed to work since the responses are so delayed. Looks fun, though!

Re: Unrelated Words Puzzle

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Post by kaesve »

How is relatedness measured? Using some embedding space? I often disagree with the measurements, the worst one being "punch" and "bowl" only relating 12%.

The concept is very fun though. I might try to make my own version, as it also seems like a fun side project and a way to explore different word embedding spaces. Could be fun to maybe also have a visualization of the embedding space.

Re: Unrelated Words Puzzle

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Post by tomthe »

neilk wrote: post #5

I like it a lot, but it’s also frustrating. Perhaps it’s being hugged to death right now but the lookups are very slow, so when I disagree with the results it’s a bit painful. If the results were quicker it would not be so bad, I could try different things. I was a bit miffed that “currency” was not considered to be related to “mark”. Similarly I thought I’d found the perfect word between “ski” and “trust”, “mogul”,…

I agree. This would be a great usecase for the fastText.js library. It can calculate similarities of words based on embeddings in the browser - no need to wait for a slow php script.

Re: Unrelated Words Puzzle

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Post by grammarxcore »

Lewton wrote: post #8
webstrand wrote: post #7

I really don't get this. Swindler has 0% relatedness to mark?

similarly "scam" is only 2% related to mark I'd expect scam to be squarely in the middle between investor and mark :D

I feel like the two are already equal in certain circles (eg the crypto space) so, as many comments are pointing out, understanding how relationships are built is important. That being said, if the black box is revealed, it’s not really a guessing game any more.

Re: Unrelated Words Puzzle

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Post by CrazyStat »

neilk wrote: post #5

I like it a lot, but it’s also frustrating. Perhaps it’s being hugged to death right now but the lookups are very slow, so when I disagree with the results it’s a bit painful. If the results were quicker it would not be so bad, I could try different things. I was a bit miffed that “currency” was not considered to be related to “mark”. Similarly I thought I’d found the perfect word between “ski” and “trust”, “mogul”,…

Exactly my feelings. The relatedness calculation needs to be an order of magnitude faster to make iterating on an idea fun.

After seeing the Zuckerberg path I tried Cuban, which is not related to Mark or investor despite Mark Cuban being far more famous as an investor than Mark Zuckerberg.

Re: Unrelated Words Puzzle

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Post by tgv »

webstrand wrote: post #7

I really don't get this. Swindler has 0% relatedness to mark?

I tried "money", because that seems pretty related to investor and also to mark (a monetary unit, not only German, but also an old English/Scottish equivalent of 13s 4p, if you can make sense of that), but the strength is only 16% and 2%, according to whatever embedding model they use.

Re: Unrelated Words Puzzle

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Post by SamBam »

neilk wrote: post #5

I like it a lot, but it’s also frustrating. Perhaps it’s being hugged to death right now but the lookups are very slow, so when I disagree with the results it’s a bit painful. If the results were quicker it would not be so bad, I could try different things. I was a bit miffed that “currency” was not considered to be related to “mark”. Similarly I thought I’d found the perfect word between “ski” and “trust”, “mogul”,…

I saw "mark" and immediately though "scam" (which I figured would be easy to get to from "investor," but it told me that "scam" and "mark" share only 2% similarity.

I can't even go from "investor" to "money" (16%). I'm not sure how "Zuckerberg" is closer to "investor" than "money" is.

Re: Unrelated Words Puzzle

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Post by kimbernator »

SamBam wrote: post #18
neilk wrote: post #5

I like it a lot, but it’s also frustrating. Perhaps it’s being hugged to death right now but the lookups are very slow, so when I disagree with the results it’s a bit painful. If the results were quicker it would not be so bad, I could try different things. I was a bit miffed that “currency” was not considered to be related to “mark”. Similarly I thought I’d found the perfect word between “ski” and “trust”, “mogul”,…

I saw "mark" and immediately though "scam" (which I figured would be easy to get to from "investor," but it told me that "scam" and "mark" share only 2% similarity. I can't even go from "investor" to "money" (16%). I'm not sure how "Zuckerberg" is closer to "investor" than "money" is.

I had the exact same first guess. Easy, I figured - that's a perfect connection between them. It just seems like the logic dictating how "close" two words are is opaque and incomplete.
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