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Re: The Epic Stack

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Post by Colex »

listenallyall wrote: post #9
solatic wrote: post #4

I have mixed opinions seeing Tailwind on that list. If you're not a designer, it takes a non-trivial amount of time to add the utility classes you need to get something that looks passable. Quite simply, it gives you too much control over something that just doesn't matter for an MVP. There are great component libraries out there (I'm a fan of Chakra) that give you sane defaults so that you can get something off the…

Disagree -- tailwind is likely the fastest way to get a barely-passable design. (Certainly faster than using an external component library then realizing ones you need are only available under the paid, "premium" collection). And to say that design "just doesn't matter" while you're in fundraising mode, i think is also incorrect. You don't need perfect design, but it has to look pretty decent. It's in people's nature…

I believe a framework like Bootstrap might be a faster approach at the beginning (honestly, it's a fair approach for the whole lifecycle of a project). You get all the building blocks to get a consistent UI working fairly quick with little to no CSS knowledge. Some times removing the unnecessary flexibility may be a boost to get things out there.

But, at the end of day, the best option will be the one you're most comfortable with.

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Post by docandrew »

I don’t know why cloud providers haven’t jumped on RAD technologies. They could give devs a stack where all the engineers need to worry about is front-end presentation and business logic. Everything else from persistent storage, deployment, testing, scaling, disaster recovery is baked-in already.

Re: The Epic Stack

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Post by lucasyvas »

Without fail, every article from Kent C. Dodds shows what appears to be total inexperience despite claims of the contrary.

The advice is, at this point, almost meme worthy. There's an infamous post from 2021 (that he may have been roasted for here):

https://kentcdodds.com/blog/how-i-built-a-modern-website-in-...

Almost every single piece of advice is wildly overcomplicated and ridiculous.

I do like some of the technologies proposed, but you can host this stuff on a single VM without any of the fancy frameworks, tools, or hosting options.

Kent is the only blogger that I've felt compelled to tell all my less experienced colleagues to completely ignore, and I feel entirely justified doing so whenever they bring him up.

The proliferation of his perspective has, quite literally, been a pain in my ass daily trying to re-teach misguided fundamentals. I really don't understand who the intended audience is. The expert beginner, maybe?

I'm sure he's probably a wonderful human being, however.

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

Kent seems like a nice guy, but every piece of his writing seems to be a massive beginner trap.

Experienced developers are not setting up brand new projects like this because it's massive overkill at the jump, but newbie devs who don't know better might try to.

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Post by grammarxcore »

TN1ck wrote: post #19

Had to laugh when I clicked on LiteFS and saw: > LiteFS is currently in beta and is not recommended for production use yet. Kind of JS dev in a nutshell, always bleeding edge.

That’s been my experience with DevOps/SRE tooling as well. I think things are beginning to get a bit better (or the projects I’ve been using for a few years are finally getting stable). After getting burned multiple times by HashiCorp I am super non-1.X+-averse when it comes to picking anything.

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Post by hu3 »

jatins wrote: post #15

"It's time to just ship" Lists 10 tools to start with. Also, had the displeasure of using Prisma a while back. Extremely slow type generation, and complex to work with its client-server architecture. When your library requires a separate process you know you messed up. If you want to just ship, pick up Next.js, or whatever you already know and add dependencies when you need them. Let thought leaders thought lead.

Interesting. Have you tried https://github.com/kysely-org/kysely ? I know Prisma is an ORM and kysely is a "type-safe typescript SQL query builder" but I just wanted to know if you had the opportunity to try it and your opinion about it.

I'm searching for SQL typescript tooling for my next project.

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Post by methodical »

It will never cease to amaze me how people can overcomplicate simple applications in such a fashion, particularly in JS land. I have never, and likely will never, understand the need for the addition of these bloated libraries on top of barebones React or JS which can achieve the same functionality at a fraction of the bundle size if you're a halfway competent software engineer.

Re: The Epic Stack

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Post by methodical »

tobr wrote: post #26

Looking at the logo wall, happily surprised that it doesn’t include React! …then looking a bit closer to discover that once again, I’m running in to a React dev who assumes that everyone assumes that everyone uses React, thus you don’t even need to mention that a boilerplate built on React is built on React.

Curious what alternative you believe is a better option for building applications in this day and age... Angular is basically dead and Vue abstracts too much (imo), unless you think vanilla JS is the way?
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