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Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by pizza234 »

lloeki wrote: post #391
qup wrote: post #386

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I got a surface tablet. The one that just runs normal windows. I'm not a Windows user normally, but it's the best "tablet" OS by far IMO. You can get WSL, and honestly I would be surprised if you can't install Linux on it, but I haven't actually checked.

> high end tablet that I could put my own OS on with that requirement I would concur, Surface (Intel) seems to be the best bet, although last time I checked (which was a couple of years ago) full support was spotty depending on generation. Maybe someone else can chime in with feedback about getting Linux on there?

I have been using Surface devices for a couple of years. I liked them a lot; in particular, I think that the Surface Book is (was) a unique machine, before being abandoned by M$ (it definitely needs/needed a reengineering).

Long time after release (Pro 3, Book 1), both devices became usable (BT, camera/mic, wifi; I've never used touch on Linux, and anyway, Linux's DEs are/were not really designed for touch), although sleep is a significant problem, due M$'s s0 idle. I've ultimately moved to a normal laptop plus Android tablet.

Without really good O/S support, I think that hybrids in general don't make much sense (I used to dual boot).

The advantages of a split configuration are considerable, both in terms of ergonomy and specs. For example, a recent Ipad Air, is lighter, and lasts much more than any Surface, while being large enough. In practice, the only time when I need a large tablet is when I read magazines, but even then, an A4 is "not great" on a 13.5", so even a Surface Book doesn't universally solve any reading need with its size (the 15" is too heavy).

An Ipad Pro is IMO the only acceptable hybrid/tablet (but I personally don't use Mac stuff for work) on the market, currently.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by davidy123 »

lostlogin wrote: post #366
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #349

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>Apple isn't good at charging. They're pretty good at changing how you charge every few years and charging you for that change though.

Are they? There have been two iPhone charge cables, and the original was the iPod charger. How many have been used by other companies? That mouse charger is ludicrous. Worst apple design ever?

I would include wireless magsafe in the bad decision category. The idea is good, but the implementation… they should have found a way to make it backward compatible, at least for the first generation of devices, and to be a really good company, introduced it as a standard from the get-go. But that wouldn't be very Apple. So now we have a few generations of wireless charger e-waste, which is a lot more material than a cable.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by fsflover »

worik wrote: post #382
hackernewds wrote: post #379

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my ipad 2018 is pretty obsolete already. it can't be updated due to speed and hardware issues, and most apps won't work on the old os

Yes. This is the problem with the tablet duopoly I looked very hard a two years ago for a high end tablet that I could put my own OS on. All I could find was the one by Pine64, and it was not "high end" I am typing this on an eight year old laptop I bought second hand at the start of COVID lock downs. Running Linux, it works pretty damn well. Why can I not get a tablet like that?

> Why can I not get a tablet like that?

You can: https://pine64.com/product-category/pinetab/

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by Veen »

davidy123 wrote: post #402
lostlogin wrote: post #366

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Are they? There have been two iPhone charge cables, and the original was the iPod charger. How many have been used by other companies? That mouse charger is ludicrous. Worst apple design ever?

I would include wireless magsafe in the bad decision category. The idea is good, but the implementation… they should have found a way to make it backward compatible, at least for the first generation of devices, and to be a really good company, introduced it as a standard from the get-go. But that wouldn't be very Apple. So now we have a few generations of wireless charger e-waste, which is a lot more material than a…

I've been using the same Anker charging pad for the last 4 years through several iPhone upgrades. I use it to charge my AirPod Pro 2s as well.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

fsflover wrote: post #403
worik wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. This is the problem with the tablet duopoly I looked very hard a two years ago for a high end tablet that I could put my own OS on. All I could find was the one by Pine64, and it was not "high end" I am typing this on an eight year old laptop I bought second hand at the start of COVID lock downs. Running Linux, it works pretty damn well. Why can I not get a tablet like that?

> Why can I not get a tablet like that? You can: https://pine64.com/product-category/pinetab/

Was very enthusiastic to check this out, but then

>Resolution: 1280×800 pixels

Yeah...I'm out.

Even cheapo Android tablets now have 2000x1200 displays. I bought an ARM Windows tablet for 200 Euro and that has a 2880x1920 display. My eyes are grateful when reading text, not going back to displays reporting in inches per pixel.

I'm really sad Intel pulled the plug on X86 Atom chips for tablets. It was super easy to boot any OS on them. Unlike ARM tablets.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by idoubtit »

lloeki wrote: post #385
hackernewds wrote: post #379

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my ipad 2018 is pretty obsolete already. it can't be updated due to speed and hardware issues, and most apps won't work on the old os

I presume it's a 6th gen (A10). While A10 phones stopped receiving OS updates with iOS 16, this iPad is still supported by iOS 16. I had an iPhone 7 (same SoC) til early this year with iOS 15 and it was fine (changed because it got physically destroyed); I was never prevented to install any app even though iOS 16 was released well over 6 months before. I have a 7th gen iPad (A10) and iPad Pro 10.5 (A10X) and they bot…

> that aforementioned Pixel situation where it stopped being supported _the next year_.

That Pixel (from 2016) did not stop being supported the next year (2017).

Android 8 was first released in 2017 and was followed by Android 9 one year later. So it was most recent Android up to 2018. Then it was still supported, since the latest patch for Android 8 was in 2021 and the latest compatible Google Play services release was this month (2023).

So the phone and OS are still supported today, but I suppose that circa 2020 (2-3 OS releases later) some applications started requiring a more recent OS.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by drekipus »

bierjunge wrote: post #397
dna_polymerase wrote: post #372

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The fact that there are multiple charge cables shows how good Apple is at charging .

Apple is great at charging? No, they are not. I have a 2019 Macbook Pro with an Intel i9. When working, the i9 pretty much gets throttled down to the performance of an i5 because the thermal design is terrible, but it's a different story. But even when the CPU get throttled down, my battery gets discharged while being connected to the most performant Apple charger (96W). An no, the laptop is not faulty, I can reprodu…

You're missing the joke.

They are good at charging you money

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by scarface74 »

idoubtit wrote: post #406
lloeki wrote: post #385

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I presume it's a 6th gen (A10). While A10 phones stopped receiving OS updates with iOS 16, this iPad is still supported by iOS 16. I had an iPhone 7 (same SoC) til early this year with iOS 15 and it was fine (changed because it got physically destroyed); I was never prevented to install any app even though iOS 16 was released well over 6 months before. I have a 7th gen iPad (A10) and iPad Pro 10.5 (A10X) and they bot…

> that aforementioned Pixel situation where it stopped being supported _the next year_. That Pixel (from 2016) did not stop being supported the next year (2017). Android 8 was first released in 2017 and was followed by Android 9 one year later. So it was most recent Android up to 2018. Then it was still supported, since the latest patch for Android 8 was in 2021 and the latest compatible Google Play services release…

So in affect it isn’t being supported? Apple supports phones with OS upgrades much longer and then still releases patches for older versions of iOS.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by scarface74 »

bierjunge wrote: post #397
dna_polymerase wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that there are multiple charge cables shows how good Apple is at charging .

Apple is great at charging? No, they are not. I have a 2019 Macbook Pro with an Intel i9. When working, the i9 pretty much gets throttled down to the performance of an i5 because the thermal design is terrible, but it's a different story. But even when the CPU get throttled down, my battery gets discharged while being connected to the most performant Apple charger (96W). An no, the laptop is not faulty, I can reprodu…

> I have a 2019 Macbook Pro with an Intel i9

I have a work Arm based MacBook Pro that last at least 12 hours on battery, never gets hot, I have never heard the fan, etc.

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