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The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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The author would prefer to verbally support "vulnerable people" instead of cash for their homes. I wonder what he thinks of foreclosures.

I hate to respond to arguments made in bad faith, but this is so ignorant that I simply have to. If you read the article, and the excellent primary reporting it links to, you'll see that these companies are swindling people for significantly less than they would get from the open market. These people could hire a realtor and retain 95% of the value of their home. However, scams like "We buy ugly houses" blanket areas…

Wth are you talking about? That's capitalism! Everything is worth what people are willing to pay for it. If you have a house that can sell for 300k but you sell for the first person that comes along for 200k whose fault is that?

You people blame these companies instead of blaming the reason people are ignorant. It's their wealth to protect or squander. Is lottery predatory, I bet you think so, payday loans? Car title loans? Casinos? Welcome to capitalism! People lose money because of their ignorance all the time.

I will give you a personal example since you gave me one. Many moons ago, I needed money for an emergency and took out pay day loans, they asked for only basic info and they were fast. i am sure banks would haggle you and give you a better loan anyways but I needed it fast and lost a lot of money because if it. And guess what? i am grateful for those companies that people like you are trying to shut down.

If you think your peers are ignorant then educate them!

I will give you another example, I sold a car I paid in total 10k+ on for a few hundred dollars from a "we buy junk cars" company, just the metal alone could have gotten me more money but I just needed it gone ASAP and I am so glad I did that.

You wanna take away my choices to stoke your freaking ego about how nice and caring of a person you are? Go do that elsewhere! Leave my freedom to make bad decisions alone. Neither you nor the government are my fucking nanny!

If I had a house that needs to close fast even at a huge loss I wanna find the first company I see advertised on a billboard or google results and get liquidity immediately! My wealth. mine! Period.

It feels good I bet to pretend to be the savior of the uneducated poor from the evil greedy corporations, but in my perspective you are the virtue signaling hero wannabe's taking what little freedom we have away.

Millions of americans love predatory businesses, this is a democracy not a technocracy or meritocracy, which means we the people get to have whatever shitty situations we want and your role to affect change is to communicate and engage in debates (I wonder how many won't even participate in this thread seeing me downvoted to max lol) not in silly outrage and virtue signaling, so you can change our minds (and I give you credit for at least replying and trying to do just that).

I don't like deceptive businesses, I just want predatory ones for when I want to be preyed upon. If they promised the best prices that would be a different story but their only claim is that they will give you cash for your crappy house.

It is amazing how many red tapes and regulations and bullshit I have to jump through just trying to exist in this supposedly free society. please stop making things shitter so you can feel like you helped people that aren't asking for your help.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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In the cases mentioned specifically, the buyer has broken a law already (at least two are fraud) or the contract is invalid (lack of mental capacity). This isn't really a story per se. People are doing illegal stuff or stuff that won't hold up in court if challenged. We have a system for it - it works ok, not fantastically. We don't need new regulation for cases like this, we just need better execution on the existin…

I think this misses the forest for the trees; the handful of cases where they broke the law are nowhere near as deleterious as the rest where they didn't. I can't think of a better time for new regulation than a hedge fund extracting home equity from desperate people.

What legislation could you make that wouldn't be a case of the side effects being worse than the disease (bearing in mind how often we dont realize there are side effects or their severity)?

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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I wish more older Americans understood how these people really work. My parents live in a neighborhood that has gone down hill through the years. They called up a company who did this kind of home buying. Usual visual inspections and the like went on with a quote being issued. They saw the amount was a little over the remaining mortgage which was less than the market value of the house. They decided to ahead of time…

>I wish more older Americans understood how these people really work. I wish more Americans overall understood how real estate works. I see people get screwed all the time because of bad information. Here's an example: several times a year I will talk with a member of the public who will say something like "we want to work with the listing agent because then we won't have to pay as much commission" not understanding…

Serious Q: What value do agents add? And what's wrong with buyers and sellers negotiating directly, as in pretty much any other market?

As an outsider it seems that RE agents bring exactly nothing to the table except FUD around the transaction process which they then exploit for commissions so everybody, except the agents, are worse off.

More than happy to be convinced otherwise.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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post #91

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Each state has usury laws, but there are of course loopholes and exclusions. https://www.upcounsel.com/lectl-state-interest-rates-and-usu... In 1980, due to high inflation, the federal government passed a special law that allowed national banks to ignore state usury limits and pegged the rate of interest at a certain number of points above the federal reserve discount rate. In addition, specially chartered organizati…

That doesn't seem unreasonable. Really, the usury laws should be linked to the federal discount rate anyway. If 20% is usury when the law was written and prevailing rates were 10-15%, 19% shouldn't be allowed when prevailing rates are 0-5%

>That doesn't seem unreasonable.

Sort of:

The 1978 case Marquette National Bank v. First of Omaha Service Corp. unanimously held that nationally chartered banks may charge the highest rate allowed in the bank's home state. This is why so many banks are located in states like Delaware and South Dakota, which have very liberal or nonexistent usury laws. So even if you live in a state that has a very low usury limit, it typically has no bearing on the interest you pay on your credit card.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/439/299.h...

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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I hate to respond to arguments made in bad faith, but this is so ignorant that I simply have to. If you read the article, and the excellent primary reporting it links to, you'll see that these companies are swindling people for significantly less than they would get from the open market. These people could hire a realtor and retain 95% of the value of their home. However, scams like "We buy ugly houses" blanket areas…

There's a libertarian idealization of predatory behavior. Apparently, when we don't restrain predators they get better and better, and more and more people become predators, and that's how we build civilization. Also those who don't become predators are getting what they deserve.

I am not a libertarian FYI. The question is not whether predatory businesses are good or bad, the question is, so long as their advertising is not deceptive, who do you or the government think you are to take options away from people and profits from business owners? Everything from junkfoods to lotteries are "predatory" because poor people who can do better choose them by this logic.

I am simply challenging you to educate people or invent a competition that is better and can advertise better. What you call predatory is a fair business practice given the responsibility of spending your money after being well informed is the consumer's responsibility while the business simply needs to not deceive or coerce consumers.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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>I wish more older Americans understood how these people really work. I wish more Americans overall understood how real estate works. I see people get screwed all the time because of bad information. Here's an example: several times a year I will talk with a member of the public who will say something like "we want to work with the listing agent because then we won't have to pay as much commission" not understanding…

Serious Q: What value do agents add? And what's wrong with buyers and sellers negotiating directly, as in pretty much any other market? As an outsider it seems that RE agents bring exactly nothing to the table except FUD around the transaction process which they then exploit for commissions so everybody, except the agents, are worse off. More than happy to be convinced otherwise.

They can provide access to listings that you might not have accesss otherwise. They also get stuff done fast: ours had a hole in our basement fixed (weep hole; Michigan basement) that would have prevented closing. We were first time buyers and it really made things sane.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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They are a discount buyer, so it is generally a bad deal to use them and you basically shouldn't unless you have no other option. It is similar to getting a pay day loan, or selling stuff to pawn shop or keeping a balance on your VISA. You are going to get a bad deal. I don't really know what to do about it. How can you ensure people are educated enough to know that a discount buyer is a buyer who will under pay for…

Fyi it did Jack squat to payday loans, there are more and more stores opening all the time and they pivoted into term loans.

Can't fix any of this until the fiat network is fixed.

In Canada it's the big 5 banks that provide the liquidity to the payday loan network.

It's entirely possible to get it down to $5 per $100..which is still a shit deal but way better than $23 per 100 but ain't gonna happen while the big 5 is making bank

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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Negative gearing is made out to sound much worse than it is. If anything, it's a benefit to wage earners by allowing them to pay a business expense from their pay. It's just a standard deduction afforded to investors for business expenses. IIRC it's actually quite difficult for foreign buyers to get into the market, and expensive as well. The housing vacancy rate is lower than ever. There definitely aren't millions o…

In 2020 negative gearing was costing $13BN a year. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/negative-gearing-cos... Tax concessions for housing investors to cost $20bn a year within a decade, analysis shows. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/03/tax-c... The Australian government should be spending $20BN a year building public housing, not giving money to property investors.

Had there not been the tax concessions, those property investors might've not invested in the first place, and thus, there would be an even lower baseline - the gov't's $20BN that they supposedly saved would not have made up for the shortfall either.

I rather the gov't give back the tax dollars in that case. And nothing stops an investor from making a company, and using that mechanism to negatively gear - unless somehow the proposal specifically targeted real estate.

People in australia complain about high property prices often think it's negative gearing causing it - but it's not. Australia is full of rich people, and high income earners. That's why property prices are high.

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