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The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

#151

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>> I don't even know how we got here. I presume you mean Australia. Here is how we got here: The government pays money to property investors/landlords via negative gearing. The government gives tax incentives to property investors/landlords. Australia excludes real estate from money laundering - making it a prime destination for proceeds of crime from China, Russia and many other places, driving up prices. https://ww…

Negative gearing is made out to sound much worse than it is. If anything, it's a benefit to wage earners by allowing them to pay a business expense from their pay. It's just a standard deduction afforded to investors for business expenses. IIRC it's actually quite difficult for foreign buyers to get into the market, and expensive as well. The housing vacancy rate is lower than ever. There definitely aren't millions o…

In 2020 negative gearing was costing $13BN a year.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/negative-gearing-cos...

Tax concessions for housing investors to cost $20bn a year within a decade, analysis shows.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/03/tax-c...

The Australian government should be spending $20BN a year building public housing, not giving money to property investors.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

#152

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Less volume will push the underperformers/hobbyists out of the RE agent business. Word of mouth is not a great way to hire, there a lot of incompetent but charismatic people in this industry. I interview a handful of them and then I basically do all the negotiating myself. In my opinion, they’re just there to unlock the door so I can view the home/or put my listing on the MLS. Once an offer is being made, they just c…

>Also, never sign a buyer representation contract. FWIW: In one of the states where I do business, it is about to become law that we have to have these with clients. I expect it to be a total clusterfuck.

Required to sale or show? I should clarify that I’ve usually signed and amended it during pend stage so agent gets commission and has documentation that I’ve agreed to all the terms within. I also limit it to just the property in question so if things fall apart it does too.

Requiring it to show, seems like a mess that will slow things down or people will just ignore it/backdate it like they do so much already to beautify things for underwriters and such.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

#153

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>> I don't even know how we got here. I presume you mean Australia. Here is how we got here: The government pays money to property investors/landlords via negative gearing. The government gives tax incentives to property investors/landlords. Australia excludes real estate from money laundering - making it a prime destination for proceeds of crime from China, Russia and many other places, driving up prices. https://ww…

Negative gearing is made out to sound much worse than it is. If anything, it's a benefit to wage earners by allowing them to pay a business expense from their pay. It's just a standard deduction afforded to investors for business expenses. IIRC it's actually quite difficult for foreign buyers to get into the market, and expensive as well. The housing vacancy rate is lower than ever. There definitely aren't millions o…

>> There definitely aren't millions of empty houses.

https://www.ahuri.edu.au/analysis/brief/are-there-1-million-...

The 2021 Census reveals that 10.1 per cent (1,043,776 homes) of Australia’s 10,318,997 private dwellings were unoccupied on the night of the Census. While this may seem that a very large proportion of Australia’s housing is unlived in, the reality is dwellings are identified as unoccupied for a number of reasons such as:

    homes are being renovated
    homes being sold as vacant possession
    newly built or bought homes where no one has moved in yet
    rental homes awaiting new tenants
    people living away temporarily from home during the census count (travelling or visiting other homes)
    homes are deemed unliveable
    subject to a probate application or other legal proceedings
    holiday homes
    homes owned by people currently living overseas
    homes being land banked, that is held vacant until the local area economics (or personal circumstances) make it more profitable to sell or redevelop the property.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

#154

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Negative gearing is made out to sound much worse than it is. If anything, it's a benefit to wage earners by allowing them to pay a business expense from their pay. It's just a standard deduction afforded to investors for business expenses. IIRC it's actually quite difficult for foreign buyers to get into the market, and expensive as well. The housing vacancy rate is lower than ever. There definitely aren't millions o…

On this note, I find it increasingly infuriating to keep coming across people who blame all housing shortage issues on eeeeeevil investors and landlords, and spout a lot of bullshit about massive vacancy rates that don't exist, when the blatant root supply-and-demand cause is that there's just not enough physical housing in the places that people want to live. You see exactly the same kind of stuff endlessly parroted…

>> when the blatant root supply-and-demand cause is that there's just not enough physical housing in the places that people want to live.

And the ALP government is adding 1.5 million people to the demand side of the equation.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

#155
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>> Home ownership is the American dream: In Australia, for many people the (new) Australian dream is: "One day I hope to have the income to be able to afford to pass the grueling real estate agent's suitability test to rent a house and move out of the tent/car."

I don't even know how we got here. Population growth has been below average for the last 3 years(no immigration). Housing/Apartment construction didn't slow down. I just don't understand it. Mortgages are insane. If you're buying a rental property with a mortgage, you can't afford to not rent it out. But home costs are up, rental costs are up, and properties are vacant. Do we really have so many people able to afford…

Population growth mainly comes from people having kids. Lots of kids. Too many kids.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

#156

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> I don't even know how we got here. From my perspective 2007 just destroyed the market. So many troubled assets and loose government money and no one putting any effort into helping the average citizen. A giant wealth and land transfer occurred. The second largest in recent memory. > I think we need a wealth tax on people who own more than 2 properties. All you will do is create a "straw purchase" market for homes.…

> From my perspective 2007 just destroyed the market. 2007 was the end of the destruction of the market (that time when housing prices doubled for no other reason than the money that left dotcom poured into housing.) Fact is, after people are used to paying more, there's a new baseline and a new level of profit expected. Not even by the landlord, who overpaid for the property and needs you to pay an absurdly high ren…

> 2007 was the end of the destruction of the market (that time when housing > prices doubled for no other reason than the money that left dotcom poured > into housing.)

Overall home ownership increased from 64.0% to 68.4% from 1990 to 2007. During that time the population also increased from 250m to 300m. Ostensibly, around 47m new home owners were added to the list during that time. Going from 160m owners to 205m owners, or adding a new 28%.

During the same period 27m new housing units were completed, with 21m being single family homes. I would assume this imbalance would impact pricing, and there were plenty of other ventures for bummed out dotcom money to pour into right around 2004.

Total ownership continued to fall until 2016. New single family home construction rate has only recovered to about 1995 levels. The current population is now 330m. I contend this suggests it's _still_ going.

> Fact is, after people are used to paying more, there's a new baseline and > a new level of profit expected

If you take the chart of average home sale prices over the past 45 years, you see mostly linear growth. 2007 was a bubble in pricing, seeing around an 18% higher price than this trend line. The prices stabilize back to the trend from 2010 until 2013 again, since then, prices have been about 10% above trend until 2021 where they rocketed back up to 18% above the half century trend.

There's been more than one mode impacting price, and whatever it is, it's happening again. Probably worse, because we don't have any corresponding movement in new home construction with this "bubble."

> Multiply that by orders of magnitude for real, wealthy property owners.

Then divide it by all the people who didn't do that, which I'm estimating to be of at least a similar if not slightly greater order of magnitude. I know quite a few of these people. Some who bought into the irrational exuberance as an opportunity to just remodel the home they've lived in for more than a decade. They don't live there now. The smart ones managed to just barely break even.

> Then to add insult to injury, when a bunch of leveraged people lost their > shirts on property derivatives, we bailed them out, paying twice.

Bailing the American people out is how it was sold. This is not a bad idea if that's what they actually did. It would probably have a little more sticking power if they bothered to put more than a token banker or two in jail for minor indiscretions during the first pump and dump of housing turned commodity.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

#157

They are a discount buyer, so it is generally a bad deal to use them and you basically shouldn't unless you have no other option. It is similar to getting a pay day loan, or selling stuff to pawn shop or keeping a balance on your VISA. You are going to get a bad deal. I don't really know what to do about it. How can you ensure people are educated enough to know that a discount buyer is a buyer who will under pay for…

In the cases mentioned specifically, the buyer has broken a law already (at least two are fraud) or the contract is invalid (lack of mental capacity). This isn't really a story per se. People are doing illegal stuff or stuff that won't hold up in court if challenged. We have a system for it - it works ok, not fantastically. We don't need new regulation for cases like this, we just need better execution on the existin…

I think this misses the forest for the trees; the handful of cases where they broke the law are nowhere near as deleterious as the rest where they didn't. I can't think of a better time for new regulation than a hedge fund extracting home equity from desperate people.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

#158
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Exchanges of over some amount of money should be supervised by a third party just to check it's not a scam - how hard could it be? I can't believe there are no safeguards for people...I can't believe it wouldn't be worth it socially

It's not hard to spend some time finding a lawyer you can use for random small things earlier in life before you actually need it and have them help you out with all of this stuff. You can treat it as an assistant that knows what they are doing. Certainly way cheaper than selling your house for 33% of the real price, or even paying huge "real estate agent" fees.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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post #79

Exchanges of over some amount of money should be supervised by a third party just to check it's not a scam - how hard could it be? I can't believe there are no safeguards for people...I can't believe it wouldn't be worth it socially

Okay now define scam.

Yup. I can easily imagine some third-party scam police cracking down on things like "I sold my son the family home for $1" or other similar unusual (but not scam) transactions

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

#160
post #53

>> Home ownership is the American dream: In Australia, for many people the (new) Australian dream is: "One day I hope to have the income to be able to afford to pass the grueling real estate agent's suitability test to rent a house and move out of the tent/car."

I don't even know how we got here. Population growth has been below average for the last 3 years(no immigration). Housing/Apartment construction didn't slow down. I just don't understand it. Mortgages are insane. If you're buying a rental property with a mortgage, you can't afford to not rent it out. But home costs are up, rental costs are up, and properties are vacant. Do we really have so many people able to afford…

> I don't even know how we got here.

The Reserve Bank just put out an honest ad to explain that a few days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNxXRigHri4

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