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The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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The article linked in the post contains several separate stories, including ones where the victim was seemingly given a separate contract to sign than the one they had originally read (or was told, under pressure, that a contract was different from what it actually contained).

The law has a concept for that: deed or title theft. "Stealing" is the appropriate colloquial descriptor.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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If there's enough fine print to require 3+ hours of reading for someone with high-schools level comprehension... then it can easily hide exploitive terms. For seniors with dwindling mental capacity the situation is even more dire.

If you haven't understood (or even read) what they are telling you to sign you shouldn't sign. What you can't do is sign and then complain about what you signed. That's ridiculous, and the courts agree.

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Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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Many of these people have dementia. It's not a fair negotiation.

Contracts signed by mentally incompetent people are generally invalid. So this article isn't about that. Therefore, when the article says the courts accept the contracts as valid they can't be talking about the contracts signed by the infirm, but the article conflates both things maliciously.

I would suggest that you read the ProPublica article that is the source of the claim, which details a years-long legal battle that then ensued, before you continue.

It's not as cut and dry as you would like it to be. The following is literally about a "contract signed by the infirm":

>After David learned of the contract, he explained to Evans that his mother had dementia and tried to cancel the sale. Instead of walking away, Evans dug in, recording a notice on the property’s title that essentially prevented a sale to anyone else, which forced the Casanova family into a years-long battle to keep the home. Along the way, Evans disputed that Casanova showed signs of impairment during their interactions.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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They're talking about buying houses from people who are suffering, bombarding them with advertising, and finally people who lack the mental capacity to know what they signed (the provided example in the blog, but there are far more in the original propublica article, is an elderly man who was incapable of writing their own name or naming the month of the year).

But even setting that aside, I'm sure you're also absolutely fine with every "Terms and Conditions" you sign up to every time you create a free account online. So if as parodied in the South Park episode, Apple shows up to your house and insists you join their Human Centipad because it was right there in the terms and conditions you signed up to when buying an iPhone, you will happily have your mouth sown to someone else's backside because you agreed to a contract.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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Many of these people have dementia. It's not a fair negotiation.

Contracts signed by mentally incompetent people are generally invalid. So this article isn't about that. Therefore, when the article says the courts accept the contracts as valid they can't be talking about the contracts signed by the infirm, but the article conflates both things maliciously.

These scams prey upon seniors who are legally able to enter contracts but do not have the mental state to know what they are doing. Many of them are too scared or embarrassed to get help afterward as they fear they’ll be a bother or have what’s left taken away.

The lesson here is to marry someone much younger so you have someone to take care of you in your twilight years. Also good to have lots of kids and raise them right. Statistically at least one of them will be able to take care of you.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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Many of these people have dementia. It's not a fair negotiation.

Contracts signed by mentally incompetent people are generally invalid. So this article isn't about that. Therefore, when the article says the courts accept the contracts as valid they can't be talking about the contracts signed by the infirm, but the article conflates both things maliciously.

The buyers do not approach those who have been legally deemed incompetent. As you say, such a sale would not be valid. But then again, can the isolated mentally incompetent even bring such cases to court? Vulnerable people who break a hip and can't afford surgery also don't deserve to lose their homes, especially not at a fraction of market value. There are clear gaps in the system which these buyers are exploiting and which you are repeatedly and willfully excusing. There's a chapter in the Bible about this type of behavior involving whips, overturned tables and an angry Jesus.

Re: The Ugly Truth Behind “We Buy Ugly Houses”

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Many of these people have dementia. It's not a fair negotiation.

Contracts signed by mentally incompetent people are generally invalid. So this article isn't about that. Therefore, when the article says the courts accept the contracts as valid they can't be talking about the contracts signed by the infirm, but the article conflates both things maliciously.

That's what makes this so brilliant, isn't it?

The buyer has the signature on paper and can proceed with taking the house.

The person who just sold their house _could_ contest it in court... except that they're not mentally competent so by definition they won't be able to mount a defense (i.e., realize that they just got scammed, hire a lawyer, put together a strategy, etc, etc). Brilliant!

If the elderly, mentally incompetent person has _someone_else_ in their life who notices this early and jumps in to clock a lot of hours to stop this from happening, then sure - everything will be fine.

If not, well, the bad guys win.

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