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Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by henryfjordan »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #78
dabernathy89 wrote: post #25

Android tablets generally feel overpriced right now for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem. There's one exception: Lenovo's last gen pro tablet got a small refresh. It's the "Lenovo P11 Pro Gen 2" and it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270). It's got a 120hz OLED display, great general-purpose performance (my previous tablet experience was Samsung's budget S6 Lite, which was…

Is that tablet a loss leader for lenovo? How can they possibly sell a tablet with a 120hz display at a fraction of the price of monitors with such a refresh rate? Would it be possible to remove the screen and plug it into an xbox?

Nobody is buying 11" monitors, that's how. Also refresh rate is only one single stat out of dozens you need to consider to price a monitor.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by ehsankia »

dabernathy89 wrote: post #25

Android tablets generally feel overpriced right now for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem. There's one exception: Lenovo's last gen pro tablet got a small refresh. It's the "Lenovo P11 Pro Gen 2" and it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270). It's got a 120hz OLED display, great general-purpose performance (my previous tablet experience was Samsung's budget S6 Lite, which was…

> for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem

Yet after over a decade, iPads still don't support multiple profiles for a device that's very often used in a household by multiple people. Something that this very first generation Pixel Tablet does.

Re: Pixel Tablet

#83

Post by joecool1029 »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #69
bryanlarsen wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wireless is usually a lot slower than plugging it in, so i suspect it'd be better on batteries rather than worse. But the best way to save your batteries is to not charge to 100%.

I wish there were standard software in Android and iOS to limit charge percentage and battery temperature during charging. It's ludicrous to me that the default behavior is plugging in your phone to a 30W ludicrously fast charger when you go to bed in the evening, where it then climbs to 100% charge and holds there while you sleep. I should be able to tell it I'd like it to reach 85% charge as of the time my alarm go…

>I wish there were standard software in Android and iOS to limit charge percentage and battery temperature during charging.

Apple has this already, android implementations are more fragmented (not just due to manufacturer but due to charge standard, pmic used, and battery subtypes used). LineageOS has a standard feature they've been working on to provide for charge thresholds but it's not in official builds yet (it's good on the devices I've used it though).

Honestly limiting current is probably bad with modern low resistance cells as temperature is elevated longer. Better to get them saturation charge quickly and stop charging unless you need the extra capacity. Also better to use a low voltage charge standard that doesn't need to drop the voltage in the phone.

All modern major manufacturers throttle the charge current if it breaks thermal limits and have a hard cutoff over a certain value (and down also if it's near or below freezing temps)

Re: Pixel Tablet

#84

Post by jacooper »

mcsniff wrote: post #73

I might buy this, I do wish it had NFC, but alas not many tablets do. The killer feature for me is GrapheneOS support.

Honestly, if it wasn't for GrapheneOS, I probably would never bother with buying a Pixel, especially jumping hoops to just buy the phone.

Re: Pixel Tablet

#85

Post by ehsankia »

mindvirus wrote: post #76
crazygringo wrote: post #2

> The included charging dock is also a speaker. I've gotta say, charging docks are a killer feature for me and I don't understand why Apple doesn't do the same. There used to be the Logitech Base [1] that I still use with the previous-gen (9th) iPad, but the smart connector in the newest iPad (10th gen) is no longer compatible with it, as the angle of the edge changed. It's been years since I plugged in my phone or A…

The charging dock is cool, but feels like a missed opportunity to have it be a regular Google Home speaker when the tablet is undocked.

> undocked

You mean docked? And is it not? I thought it basically acts like a Nest Hub Max [0] when docked?

[0] https://store.google.com/ca/product/google_nest_hub_max

Re: Pixel Tablet

#86

Post by TechBro8615 »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #69
bryanlarsen wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wireless is usually a lot slower than plugging it in, so i suspect it'd be better on batteries rather than worse. But the best way to save your batteries is to not charge to 100%.

I wish there were standard software in Android and iOS to limit charge percentage and battery temperature during charging. It's ludicrous to me that the default behavior is plugging in your phone to a 30W ludicrously fast charger when you go to bed in the evening, where it then climbs to 100% charge and holds there while you sleep. I should be able to tell it I'd like it to reach 85% charge as of the time my alarm go…

Is that the default behavior on iOS? I'm not familiar with the details, but I thought there was logic for optimizing charging, IIRC so that it charges quickly to 80% but then slowly to 100%. And once it hits 100%, it's not like it's constantly drawing power to maintain that level.

Re: Pixel Tablet

#87

Post by LoganDark »

dabernathy89 wrote: post #25

Android tablets generally feel overpriced right now for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem. There's one exception: Lenovo's last gen pro tablet got a small refresh. It's the "Lenovo P11 Pro Gen 2" and it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270). It's got a 120hz OLED display, great general-purpose performance (my previous tablet experience was Samsung's budget S6 Lite, which was…

This tablet has a lower pixel density than my desktop. But 120Hz OLED sounds soooo good. I'm almost super sad it's not 4K. Would've been an instant wishlist item then.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by rektide »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #78
dabernathy89 wrote: post #25

Android tablets generally feel overpriced right now for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem. There's one exception: Lenovo's last gen pro tablet got a small refresh. It's the "Lenovo P11 Pro Gen 2" and it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270). It's got a 120hz OLED display, great general-purpose performance (my previous tablet experience was Samsung's budget S6 Lite, which was…

Is that tablet a loss leader for lenovo? How can they possibly sell a tablet with a 120hz display at a fraction of the price of monitors with such a refresh rate? Would it be possible to remove the screen and plug it into an xbox?

"mid range" (but excellent) MediaTek chip probably helps a ton. The screen is great quality oles... it's probably the most expensive part. But what does Lenovo actually pay? To spitball a number, probably like ~$80.

I think people don't appreciate how much we are up-sold, over very negligible costs. A huge amount of cheap products exist not because it's really that much cheaper to cut the specs here & there & make a chunky gross form factor, but because the company makes a $1800 model of whatever it is, that they want to push you towards.

Lenovo competes in a lot of markets, and I think many of the places they compete are more value oriented than North American type markets. I think that in part is why Lenovo came up with such a well balanced product; picking intelligently how to build a great product at a reasonable price.

Re: Pixel Tablet

#89

Post by moffkalast »

dabernathy89 wrote: post #25

Android tablets generally feel overpriced right now for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem. There's one exception: Lenovo's last gen pro tablet got a small refresh. It's the "Lenovo P11 Pro Gen 2" and it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270). It's got a 120hz OLED display, great general-purpose performance (my previous tablet experience was Samsung's budget S6 Lite, which was…

> it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270).

Ipads are even cheaper at around $210 I think? I don't think it's possible to get an Android tablet of that screen size for anywhere close. It's sort of weird how Apple overprices all of their stuff except tablets.

Then again, then you have to deal with the ATS nonsense which is hell for local web dev without https.

Re: Pixel Tablet

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Post by lajupechere »

moffkalast wrote: post #89
dabernathy89 wrote: post #25

Android tablets generally feel overpriced right now for what they offer compared to Apple's ecosystem. There's one exception: Lenovo's last gen pro tablet got a small refresh. It's the "Lenovo P11 Pro Gen 2" and it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270). It's got a 120hz OLED display, great general-purpose performance (my previous tablet experience was Samsung's budget S6 Lite, which was…

> it's absurdly affordable compared to the competition right now (~$270). Ipads are even cheaper at around $210 I think? I don't think it's possible to get an Android tablet of that screen size for anywhere close. It's sort of weird how Apple overprices all of their stuff except tablets. Then again, then you have to deal with the ATS nonsense which is hell for local web dev without https.

They completely over priced the keyboards, though, it’s kind of incredible. If you want to close the gap between tablet and laptop, you’re going to pay laptop prices.
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