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Re: Show HN: Boring Report, a news app that uses AI to desensationalize the news

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>Being angry from news like this isn't a bad thing. You SHOULD be angry. Why? What are you going to do? Just get high off the dopamine drip fed by social media rage cycles? Angry rants on Twitter? Maybe start a Youtube channel and make a buck or two with banal political essays? Recognize that the news is designed to make you angry because that anger prevents you from taking any form of effective action, it misdirects…

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> Fuck off with your assumptions, you don't know me. You don't know the actions I have taken.

And I couldn't care less. Here, you're just posturing for karma like everyone else.

>Anger doesn't prevent people from taking action or coordinating, that's the purpose of pushing people into basically wage slavery. Bad political actors WANT you to stop having a reaction to the things they do. They WANT you to feel hopeless and helpless. A politically apathetic population is the goal.

The opposite of anger isn't apathy, or feeling hopeless or helpless. Those are more often than not the results of anger. The opposite of anger is reason. Coordination and action only happen once you move past the narratives of anger. You can't do anything about most of what you see on the news, so there's no point in getting angry about it.

Yes, anger doesn't prevent people from taking action, but being angry from the news isn't necessary for that, only caring enough about the issue enough to take action. More often than not anger leads to apathy, hopelessness and helplessness.

>Look at Russia right now. Nobody to rise up and stop literal genocide.

People are losing their lives fighting Russia every day. What the fuck are you talking about?

>A problem is people thinking that lots of anger inducing headlines is not an accurate reflection of reality, but some sort of "bias" or "misleading".

It isn't an accurate reflection of reality. It's not entirely inaccurate but it is always biased and misleading. And the narratives on social media even more so.

But hey, you go ahead and get as angry as you like. I'm sure you'll let us all know when it leads you anywhere.

Re: Show HN: Boring Report, a news app that uses AI to desensationalize the news

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In an ideal world we’d have a network of trusted people that feed trusted event highlights and leave it to ai to fill in the gaps or detect bias. At the moment news is just a collection of episodes and arcs aimed at maintaining a constant state of fear and anger - emotions familiar to all of us. We are designed to pay attention to danger and the media knows this. We should detoxify it. It’s done enough harm. Edit: af…

In the old days, I am told, BBC newsreaders read the news, and on days when not enough had happened, proceeded to play music for the remainder of their timeslot.

I think this is the real problem. News is "made" to fit a budget. My ideal news would only be published when it is actually worth reading.

Re: Show HN: Boring Report, a news app that uses AI to desensationalize the news

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A black-box LLM which is probably inherently biased from its training data ascribing racist labels to individual humans and ranking them sounds like a horrendous idea you’d read about in an Orwell novel.

Do you have any evidence suggesting modern day journalists are extremely anti-white and anti-Asian? That’s an incredibly bold statement to make.

Re: Show HN: Boring Report, a news app that uses AI to desensationalize the news

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I've also been thinking about processing news with LMs, but from a different angle. One big complaint I have for reading news through RSS, is that there's no natural hierarchy/priority to the news. There's no front page, no headline, no size in RSS feeds. Given the way news agencies generates those feeds, there are _tons_ of repetition, tiny updates, some insignificant one-liner interview about some significant event…

A related idea that I’ve had is to present a time-lagged newsfeed and use AI to link to any follow up stories. “hey, remember how everyone was panicking about the price of eggs a few months ago? Well, prices are normal now but only one person wrote about it so you probably didn’t hear that”

People get the impression that mostly bad things are happening because “this just got much worse” is newsworthy but “this isn’t as bad as it was 5 years ago” isn’t, and improvements tend to happen slowly whereas disasters can happen quickly

Re: Show HN: Boring Report, a news app that uses AI to desensationalize the news

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A black-box LLM which is probably inherently biased from its training data ascribing racist labels to individual humans and ranking them sounds like a horrendous idea you’d read about in an Orwell novel. Do you have any evidence suggesting modern day journalists are extremely anti-white and anti-Asian? That’s an incredibly bold statement to make.

This will be a combination of numerous fine-tuned models, def not using a default LLM.

A bold statement but one I believe is correct. Even Elon Musk, the richest man on the planet, believes this. Guess we'll see, my main priority is ensuring it's accurate and as unbiased as possible. It must work on every news site, both left and right wing.

Re: Show HN: Boring Report, a news app that uses AI to desensationalize the news

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A black-box LLM which is probably inherently biased from its training data ascribing racist labels to individual humans and ranking them sounds like a horrendous idea you’d read about in an Orwell novel. Do you have any evidence suggesting modern day journalists are extremely anti-white and anti-Asian? That’s an incredibly bold statement to make.

This will be a combination of numerous fine-tuned models, def not using a default LLM. A bold statement but one I believe is correct. Even Elon Musk, the richest man on the planet, believes this. Guess we'll see, my main priority is ensuring it's accurate and as unbiased as possible. It must work on every news site, both left and right wing.

I don’t think it’s a given that finetuning address pretraining bias, most LLMs you would have access to are trained on very similar and biased corpora, see any Anthropic or OpenAI alignment paper.

It’s conceptually possible for extensive finetuning + MoE to work accurately enough for this premise to be feasible but it seems incredibly unlikely with what’s available today.

In any case, using a non-explainable AI model to call individuals racist based on their professional work product (which has significant real-world consequences) is still a horrible idea. This doesn’t carry the same impact as mislabeling tweet sentiment.

So we’ve gone from most of us to Elon Musk and yourself? Musk (whose wealth is irrelevant but is second as an FYI) is one of the worst appeals to authority you could be making on this argument.

Re: Show HN: Boring Report, a news app that uses AI to desensationalize the news

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I've played with a variation of this called "Unbiased News". The prompt asks to rewrite the article in an unbiased way and to also expose biases in the article. It feels 'good' to use. Demo here: https://twitter.com/vladquant/status/1647042056139968512 Code and prompt here: https://github.com/OrionBrowser/ProgrammableButtons

"Unbias" doesn't exist.
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