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SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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It's basically an inefficient, but effective way to siphon money from the poor and middle class and deposit it into the bank accounts of the wealthy by utilizing the equity the poor and middle class have in their vehicles.

It doesn't get the wealthy especially rich either, looking at the losses. Who gets rich on Uber and similar apps are all the programmers that visit this website, we make good money on all those schemes. We get paid really well. We are who really gets the best deal in all this. (Now I need to hide away before the flying shoes hit me.)

as an end user, I got a pretty good deal for quite a while.

I'm always surprised that VCs assume that customers are morons and will keep buying the same product even when its not a good deal anymore. Uber's terms of the deal changed, so I don't buy the product anymore. Simple as.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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Their massive early investment in Uber distorted their reality and they expected ride sharing to be incredibly successful in other markets when it's not even successful in the USA - it's a fraud that pays below minimum wage off the backs of people who cannot do math. It has never made money anywhere ... ARM has had a laziness problem ever since the Apple A1 chip - there's a reason why nobody uses their 6-yr old layou…

It's basically an inefficient, but effective way to siphon money from the poor and middle class and deposit it into the bank accounts of the wealthy by utilizing the equity the poor and middle class have in their vehicles.

No, it's a way I can get a safe and reliable ride anywhere in the world, without getting scammed by a local taxi (not just Uber, but Lyft, Ola, Bolt etc.)

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#53

SoftBank is a meme at this point but I'd imagine most VCs are down on paper as well, rising interest rates crushed the valuation of pretty much every startup

> I'd imagine most VCs are down on paper as well

No need to imagine. Early stage is doing quite well, series 'A' and onwards not so good, with some variation due to the various industries.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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Their massive early investment in Uber distorted their reality and they expected ride sharing to be incredibly successful in other markets when it's not even successful in the USA - it's a fraud that pays below minimum wage off the backs of people who cannot do math. It has never made money anywhere ... ARM has had a laziness problem ever since the Apple A1 chip - there's a reason why nobody uses their 6-yr old layou…

Not being incredibly successful doesn't make it a fraud. I don't think anybody invested in it because Uber misrepresented the market.

Design and implement over engineered solutions to avoid paying minimum wage across dozens of countries seems at least a little sketchy.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#55
post #12

Their massive early investment in Uber distorted their reality and they expected ride sharing to be incredibly successful in other markets when it's not even successful in the USA - it's a fraud that pays below minimum wage off the backs of people who cannot do math. It has never made money anywhere ... ARM has had a laziness problem ever since the Apple A1 chip - there's a reason why nobody uses their 6-yr old layou…

It's basically an inefficient, but effective way to siphon money from the poor and middle class and deposit it into the bank accounts of the wealthy by utilizing the equity the poor and middle class have in their vehicles.

Then why isn’t it financially successful? If riding sharing costs are much lower than incumbents like taxis shouldn’t it be raking in cash?

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#56
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically an inefficient, but effective way to siphon money from the poor and middle class and deposit it into the bank accounts of the wealthy by utilizing the equity the poor and middle class have in their vehicles.

No, it's a way I can get a safe and reliable ride anywhere in the world, without getting scammed by a local taxi (not just Uber, but Lyft, Ola, Bolt etc.)

Safety and reliability are not mutually exclusive with exploitative. It can be both.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't get the wealthy especially rich either, looking at the losses. Who gets rich on Uber and similar apps are all the programmers that visit this website, we make good money on all those schemes. We get paid really well. We are who really gets the best deal in all this. (Now I need to hide away before the flying shoes hit me.)

as an end user, I got a pretty good deal for quite a while. I'm always surprised that VCs assume that customers are morons and will keep buying the same product even when its not a good deal anymore. Uber's terms of the deal changed, so I don't buy the product anymore. Simple as.

The goal is to kill all the alternatives so you have no choice. Uber wanted to kill all taxis everywhere, then they'd have a monopoly.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

#59
post #18

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Made the $20B through excessive leverage, too.

Tale old as time, they never quit when they're ahead.[1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Livermore

Hwang couldn’t have unwound his massive positions without crashing the prices. There was no quitting while you’re ahead for him.

I still really don’t understand what game he was playing.

Re: SoftBank Vision funds post record $39B annual loss

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's a way I can get a safe and reliable ride anywhere in the world, without getting scammed by a local taxi (not just Uber, but Lyft, Ola, Bolt etc.)

Safety and reliability are not mutually exclusive with exploitative. It can be both.

Sadly, taxis were never both until Uber.

Even in Manhattan, getting a taxi at 2am was a crap shoot. I can an Uber in the suburbs at 2am anywhere in the country.

That’s neat.

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