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Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Soon everything will be deep fake regardless of being deep fake and we all will just have to believe or not.

To me that's the interest of the story. First sighting for me.

You may find these antics of Elon Musk's lawyers even more interesting then, as posted a few days ago on HN, where they tried to claim (the judge wasn't having any of it) that since any video of Musk could have been deep faked that any video of him shouldn't be accepted by the court.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35862753

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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This is not Kemal Kilicdaroglu who is the main challenger to Erdoğan, and in fact could help his chances. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-la...

notice the article claims the opposite > The polling organisation Metropoll predicted late last month that İnce voters would predominantly give their votes to Erdoğan’s AKP, the CHP, with some also going to the far-right Nationalist Movement party and the nationalist IYI (Good party) in the parliamentary race. polls are all over the place for this election, other than telling that it will be contested. https://twitte…

I had to read that sentence thrice but I don't think it's in conflict with op.

The Guardian is suggesting Ince's votes will be split between the main contenders. Then KK who is in the lead will have a higher chance of clearing 50%.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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What should be our takeaway from the fact that foreign capitalists don’t like Erdoğan?

It’s not like or dislike, they’re betting on the economic future of Türkiye - and their bet, with their money on the line, is that Erdoğan is bad for Türkiye.

I'd say they're betting on their possibility to extract wealth from Turkey, and their bet, with their money on the line, is that Erdogan is bad for their possibility to extract wealth from Turkye.

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> The former school headteacher and longtime member of the Republican People’s party (CHP) said an alleged sex tape circulating online was a deepfake, using footage taken from “an Israeli porn site”.

This seems pretty easy to determine then. Surely someone will recognize the original video, if it came from a publicly available source like that?

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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For context, The Economist calls this the most important election in the world this year. https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/05/04/if-turkey-sacks...

Who controls Turkey/the Bosphorus is critically important this year. The election (and attracted shenanigans) is only a piece of that

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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> this is a positive event if you think Turkey should move forward from the authoritarianism and incompetent economic management Forward may very well be more of the same or worse. Only time will tell if their system is systemically and irrevocably broken.

What makes you think it may be irrevocably broken? Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update.

There’s been 5 amendments to the US constitution since 1960. In 1971 it took 100 days to pass the 26th amendment lowering voting age to 18.

The largest barrier is it doesn’t have that many rules people want to change. It’s a short document and many things like requiring the president to be 35 just don’t come up very frequently. The few things that apply frequently such as free speech have broad support.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is a positive event if you think Turkey should move forward from the authoritarianism and incompetent economic management Forward may very well be more of the same or worse. Only time will tell if their system is systemically and irrevocably broken.

What makes you think it may be irrevocably broken? Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update.

> Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update.

That’s a feature, not a bug. It’s what keeps the USA from devolving to the 51% mob rule flavor of the month after each election.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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This is not Kemal Kilicdaroglu who is the main challenger to Erdoğan, and in fact could help his chances. 1. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-la...

notice the article claims the opposite > The polling organisation Metropoll predicted late last month that İnce voters would predominantly give their votes to Erdoğan’s AKP, the CHP, with some also going to the far-right Nationalist Movement party and the nationalist IYI (Good party) in the parliamentary race. polls are all over the place for this election, other than telling that it will be contested. https://twitte…

> the CHP

This is Kilicdaroglu's party. Also remember that there can be a runoff election, either candidate only needs to clear 50%

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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For context, The Economist calls this the most important election in the world this year. https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/05/04/if-turkey-sacks...

As an American who has spent years living in Turkey, I agree with that article, at least from an American or "Western" perspective.

Re: Turkish presidential candidate quits race after release of alleged deepfake

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think it may be irrevocably broken? Worth noting that unlike, say, the USA, Turkey does not have a constitution that was written two hundred plus years ago and is virtually impossible to change or update.

There’s been 5 amendments to the US constitution since 1960. In 1971 it took 100 days to pass the 26th amendment lowering voting age to 18. The largest barrier is it doesn’t have that many rules people want to change. It’s a short document and many things like requiring the president to be 35 just don’t come up very frequently. The few things that apply frequently such as free speech have broad support.

> In 1971 it took 100 days to pass the 26th amendment lowering voting age to 18.

I was taught in history class that this was rushed so quickly because congress thought it would reduce the number of student protests.

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