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Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by ghiculescu »

Animatronio wrote: post #58
M3L0NM4N wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is, in my opinion, by far the strongest argument for lower taxes. The money we (the US) do spend in education/healthcare/infrastructure is already poorly utilized, why would we want to spend more and end up like that? To simplify it dramatically with an example, I'd rather pay $3 on the toll road and $50k for a surgery myself than pay $10 in taxes towards the road and $100k in taxes towards the healthcare system…

Yes, but suppose there's a "road company" you'd have to pay a toll to. Obviously they love profit margins and since they're a monopoly (they own the road) the toll would soon balloon to $20 then $35 then $100.

Then don’t take the road.

You can’t opt out of high taxes.

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by Demoloto »

M3L0NM4N wrote: post #35
choeger wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany, it's not the social system per se but it's aoparent utter ineffectiveness. We're paying more and more every year but the state/public system seems to fail everywhere and worse so than the year before. It's like the money is completely sucked up by some unproductive black hole. And no, it's not because of reduced taxation from rich to working class, or missing taxes on property or some other policy. These…

That is, in my opinion, by far the strongest argument for lower taxes. The money we (the US) do spend in education/healthcare/infrastructure is already poorly utilized, why would we want to spend more and end up like that? To simplify it dramatically with an example, I'd rather pay $3 on the toll road and $50k for a surgery myself than pay $10 in taxes towards the road and $100k in taxes towards the healthcare system…

You would never had the chance in the first place to earn this kind of money if it wouldn't be for the society.

Roads, education, healthcare etc.

Also other people work as hard as you do.

And you know of course it's better for you obviously but only as long as you are part of that group.

There is a reason why people do gofundmes after they can't work anymore.

And the riots etc? Guess what social injustice increases either your life risk or the money you spend of protecting you.

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by Demoloto »

nivenkos wrote: post #56
Demoloto wrote: post #30

Then move if you don't like a social government... You do understand that USA rich people living of the life's of the poor? No proper health care etc for people cleaning their flats or flipping their burgers...

I'd love to move, but getting a green card is a nightmare. I don't want to work for 5 years trapped with one employer and facing deportation with a matter of weeks if I lose my job, on an L-1 visa (and to do that I'd still have to find a position to move to in my company).

Ohh really? What a surprise suddenly the risk is not worth it....

Quite a weak excuse though.

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by hef19898 »

ghiculescu wrote: post #61
Animatronio wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but suppose there's a "road company" you'd have to pay a toll to. Obviously they love profit margins and since they're a monopoly (they own the road) the toll would soon balloon to $20 then $35 then $100.

Then don’t take the road. You can’t opt out of high taxes.

And do what, fly?

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by hef19898 »

batmansmk wrote: post #39
Demoloto wrote: post #30

Then move if you don't like a social government... You do understand that USA rich people living of the life's of the poor? No proper health care etc for people cleaning their flats or flipping their burgers...

Average salary in SV is 115k, 22k in France. USA live off its neo-colonial digital empire, not through the exploitation of blue collars. When any digital company out there pay 30% of what they earn in tarifs on cloud, ads, servers, licenses, app revenue, patent litigation, …

So, you compare the averge of France, a cpuntey not known for high salaries, as a cpuntey to one of the highest paid regions in the world? SV =|= blue collar, the rust belt and Detroit are blue collar.

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by Demoloto »

choeger wrote: post #33
Demoloto wrote: post #30

Then move if you don't like a social government... You do understand that USA rich people living of the life's of the poor? No proper health care etc for people cleaning their flats or flipping their burgers...

In Germany, it's not the social system per se but it's aoparent utter ineffectiveness. We're paying more and more every year but the state/public system seems to fail everywhere and worse so than the year before. It's like the money is completely sucked up by some unproductive black hole. And no, it's not because of reduced taxation from rich to working class, or missing taxes on property or some other policy. These…

I disagree and don't have this feeling.

Do you actually have any sources for this?

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by Demoloto »

nivenkos wrote: post #57
Demoloto wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His responsibility? Due to moral and ethics of course. I can't go to a burger flipper restaurant without a bad feeling if I know that the person working behind the counter is basically a modern slave and also works 40h but doesn't have any rights at all. It's hard for me to say 'i want worker rights' and ignore everyone around me. And as a backup mechanism: guess what? It can happen to you. But also your family or fr…

But those jobs should be automated so no-one has to do them. And that process should be supported by a high minimum wage - hitting the employers, not taxing productive work to provide tax credits to subsidise such terrible jobs. Automation leads to more high-tech jobs and investment, and higher productivity, which leads to higher wages as companies compete for highly skilled employees, etc. Economic mobility and prod…

Which requires people actually coming up with something post work.

Adult schools for example. Or whatever else

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by kbos87 »

fmajid wrote: post #21

Many are going to start their own startups and the seeds for the next Cambrian explosion are being cast today, just as they were in 2001–2003 or 2008. That said not all Big Tech employees can deal with the hustle required at a startup.

I’m skeptical that the same patterns we saw in the early 2000s are going to play out again.

Last time, tech was in its infancy. There was a small universe of people who understood baseline concepts like getting to product market fit, how to measure and implement growth patterns, etc etc.

Today these are practically household concepts, and they have been for years. There aren’t a few hundred other people in SV you are competing against, it’s the rest of the world.

On top of that, there’s a tried and true playbook that large tech companies quickly put to use to capture any remotely adjacent areas of product market fit.

I’m not saying there won’t be startups - there are today of course - but it also seems like there’s a lot of wishful thinking going on. (Among founders, VCs, and billionaires who made their money in the early 2000s too. It shocks me that many of them haven’t realized that the playbook that made them money in 2008 doesn’t make them special in 2023.)

Tech has been professionalized and nothing is nearly as easy as it once was.

Re: Startups Are Scooping Up Big Tech’s Cast-Off Workers

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Post by pfannkuchen »

mullingitover wrote: post #37
M3L0NM4N wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is, in my opinion, by far the strongest argument for lower taxes. The money we (the US) do spend in education/healthcare/infrastructure is already poorly utilized, why would we want to spend more and end up like that? To simplify it dramatically with an example, I'd rather pay $3 on the toll road and $50k for a surgery myself than pay $10 in taxes towards the road and $100k in taxes towards the healthcare system…

Private companies can certainly hold their own when it comes to waste and incompetence. Government doesn’t have a monopoly on these things.

If they do that for long enough though they go out of business. There is not really an equivalent to going out of business in government, or at least the bar is much higher for it to happen (I.e. violent revolution).
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