> It can handle more than 500,000 orders per month Hilarious because other languages are capable of that per minute not per month
500,000 orders per minute on a $6/month server? Which language is able to achieve that?
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#152> It can handle more than 500,000 orders per month Hilarious because other languages are capable of that per minute not per month
I think the point was the $6/month server here.
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#153As a fullstack developer who has worked many, many years in the javascript hellhole, I mean ecosystem, as well as the python ecosystem and .NET; coming back to PHP the last 2 years, working essentially in Laravel and the like - I couldn't approve more of this message. Seriously, PHP is the grand father that will drive you to class and you'll never be late, the car will never smell and everything will always just be f…
Is C#/.NET overly complex? I'm used to Laravel and have been exploring C#/.NET, which while a bit complicated is nice for the static typing. I've been hearing that for web apps the Laravel ecosystem is still simpler and more batteries-included than the equivalent ASP.NET.
IME, Laravel's "easy deployment" story is heavily linked to the paid service Forge, and installing dependencies during deployment is a bit slow plus takes a /lot/ of memory (we're using old Composer and Laravel versions though). What's your take?
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#154> It can handle more than 500,000 orders per month Hilarious because other languages are capable of that per minute not per month
What stack can handle 500,000 orders per minute - 22.3 billion a month - on a $6/month server?
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#155As a fullstack developer who has worked many, many years in the javascript hellhole, I mean ecosystem, as well as the python ecosystem and .NET; coming back to PHP the last 2 years, working essentially in Laravel and the like - I couldn't approve more of this message. Seriously, PHP is the grand father that will drive you to class and you'll never be late, the car will never smell and everything will always just be f…
This 100%. It's actually a bit of a red flag to me these days if a developer turns up their nose at PHP. The language has matured a lot and building stuff with it is simple, cheap, straightforward and fast. If someone's still hating on PHP in 2023 it makes me wonder if they've been focused on more exotic technology because they were looking to pad their resume with more expensive skills, build science projects for th…
PHP has matured and has been a nice language for a decade now. But PHP developers havent. Cargo culting “good practice” and lack of creativity plagues the community. Frameworks have become so heavy that you spend more time configuring them than actually adding value. Oh and some still argue over setters and getters.
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#156As a fullstack developer who has worked many, many years in the javascript hellhole, I mean ecosystem, as well as the python ecosystem and .NET; coming back to PHP the last 2 years, working essentially in Laravel and the like - I couldn't approve more of this message. Seriously, PHP is the grand father that will drive you to class and you'll never be late, the car will never smell and everything will always just be f…
PHP has types now??
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This 100%. It's actually a bit of a red flag to me these days if a developer turns up their nose at PHP. The language has matured a lot and building stuff with it is simple, cheap, straightforward and fast. If someone's still hating on PHP in 2023 it makes me wonder if they've been focused on more exotic technology because they were looking to pad their resume with more expensive skills, build science projects for th…
Don't you dare to tell me that my isomorphic Node trpc graphql with redux and sagas on top of next.js with SSG and SSR and parts in server components with my home grown validation and ORM framework and still no translations because they don't work together with everything else and deployed on serverless docker lambdas to a kubernetes cluster is over engineering a landing page with a contact form. So fast! That's a st…
You're not using Temporal workflows? So outdated!
Though to be fair, devs lose employability when they don't get to use (in their work) technologies that are gaining wide popularity. It's a balance to be struck by the CTO/architect (assuming the devs want or are able to demand that skills development in the first place).
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You lost me at WordPress haha... Ive a lot of love for WP, but I don't really get the appeal of extending it past blogging... if you're doing anything more complicated it's pretty trivial to implement blogging functions in your site.
The days of WordPress being used for only blogging are long gone. I have many, many multimillion dollar clients using it as the hub for their whole company (none of which have blogs). It's crazy how it just...works. A little PHP-FPM tweaks here, a couple NGINX tweaks there, and you're off to the races. Very little maintenance, almost no downtime ever.
You are probably the cleanest WP + PHP developer in history, who contrary to the messed up ecosystem of WP plugins has clean coding style that puts everyone else in the WP ecosystem to shame then, or those multimillion dollar companies don't actually need that much functionality on their sites.
Even the data structures in a default WP setup, making everything as post types is silly for anything not a blog and I wouldn't build anything on top of that ever again. Most of the examples (all I ever saw?) for themes are silly, because they use concattenation for HTML templating, instead of composition. Not long and a theme will become messy, unless one is very vigilant, but then code reuse inside the same theme obviously suffers.
Basically the whole ecosystem is full of anti patterns that one would avoid usually, but that somehow have become the tutorial samctified way to do things in WP.
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> Laravel is [...] reasonably well documented Hard disagree. Sorry, I don't have a computer science degree, why does their documentation make that assumption. I find their docs very hard to grok. PHP.net docs are no-frills no-fuss, straight to the point. Other frameworks are documented very well too, CakePHP comes to mind (at least, when I was using it last in v2 and v3). I can't say I've read the absolute latest ver…
The documentation for Laravel is still unreadable. Guess that is why selling Laravel tutorials seems to be a fruitful business.
The documentation for Laravel is readable, in the sense that if you read it from beginning to end, like a book or tutorial, you will get a pretty good understanding of what Laravel does. But [supreme being of your choice] help you if you just want to find out what the possible values for a specific parameter of a specific method can be...
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The documentation for Laravel is still unreadable. Guess that is why selling Laravel tutorials seems to be a fruitful business.
But why? I‘m working with it daily and what I learned is to read the docs properly. Usually it‘s me not reading correctly. There is some advanced stuff that‘s not covered in the docs, but not necessary to build an app.
That's exactly the point: a documentation should be comprehensive, i.e. it for each class and each method it should describe exactly what the method does, including all parameters etc. The Laravel "documentation" is a tutorial, i.e. it describes what you should do for the most common use cases in a style designed to be read from beginning to end. Which has its uses too, but as documentation, it's pretty lacking...