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Re: Windows 11 in Svelte

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I disabled OneDrive syncing on Edge, and the next time Windows refused to boot. I had to reinstall the OS from the recovery partition. Tracking: it’s mandatory!

Somehow it feels like there's more to this story

I also tried to install WSL that day, but that’s just a package with no customization. Seems unlikely.

Re: Windows 11 in Svelte

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I'm going to sound annoying here, but have you actually used Svelte? The developer experience is night and day with Svelte(kit) and React/Vue. I can have a workable prototype within a couple of hours with Sveltekit, where it would've taken me a couple of days in React/Next.js. Svelte feels like an answer to that unending churn of web frameworks because so much of it is just plain HTML and JS, compared to learning the…

Yup, I have used Svelte, but not very much at all. Honestly, it didn't strike me as terribly different in syntax from Vue. It's a similar framework (in this case, compiler). It is a common paradigm in marketing that a new technology/product needs to provide 10x the benefit of its predecessors to convince people to switch. Would you say it provides that for you? I just went and reviewed some of the material on it, and…

I don’t know if I’d be able to say I’m 10x as productive in Svelte as React (I havent used Vue enough to compare), but I’d certainly say there’s at least a 2x benefit, which is enough for me. Projects are easier to organise and thus plan, components are easier to build in an encapsulated way, routing works OOTB 99% of the time, and I don’t have to remember whether I’m allowed to use an effect or think about whether a hook is going to grind my page to a halt.

Re: Windows 11 in Svelte

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post #44

Looks great, but not very realistic. The real Win11 start menu doesn't open immediately, it glitches in various ways for 3-4 times before actually working. Realism 7/10

I use https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher to fix start menu and taskbar. Can't imagine using Windows without it.

Since I installed PowerToys[0] and activated Run, I barely use the taskbar to start any program. It works like alt+f2 on Ubuntu, which is the experience I find most useful.

[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/

Re: Windows 11 in Svelte

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post #109

Why is a good chunk of the Readme dedicated to pleading for a repo star? Not the first time seeing a project doing that. This can't be just for vanity reasons. Anyone knows?

Stars boost visibility and is an important number motivating people who work on these for free

Re: Windows 11 in Svelte

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Amazing, it's more performant than the real thing.

TBH, that's not amazing. It opens a div with pretty much hard-coded icons and text. Browsers are really good at that. It's rather a bit of a shame that Windows 11 is so sluggish. But that's what you get when you put layer upon layer upon layer upon layer of UI, I guess.

Re: Windows 11 in Svelte

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post #109

Why is a good chunk of the Readme dedicated to pleading for a repo star? Not the first time seeing a project doing that. This can't be just for vanity reasons. Anyone knows?

Makes your CV look good.

Re: Windows 11 in Svelte

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post #45

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I've been using Windows for 30 years and haven't encountered either issue you've described.

I've been using Windows since 1998 and I can confirm all the issues described. The last time I enjoyed hanging Explorer was yesterday, and it was exactly because Explorer was trying to open a network link that I didn't ask to open.

To be fair I have that constantly on Linux. Default applications like ark trying to query every connected drive on every use and just hanging there until they get a response even when all you want to do is open a zip file on a local ssd.

Re: Windows 11 in Svelte

#118

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I'm going to sound annoying here, but have you actually used Svelte? The developer experience is night and day with Svelte(kit) and React/Vue. I can have a workable prototype within a couple of hours with Sveltekit, where it would've taken me a couple of days in React/Next.js. Svelte feels like an answer to that unending churn of web frameworks because so much of it is just plain HTML and JS, compared to learning the…

Yup, I have used Svelte, but not very much at all. Honestly, it didn't strike me as terribly different in syntax from Vue. It's a similar framework (in this case, compiler). It is a common paradigm in marketing that a new technology/product needs to provide 10x the benefit of its predecessors to convince people to switch. Would you say it provides that for you? I just went and reviewed some of the material on it, and…

If you decide to use the tutorial, I highly recommend the new one at learn.svelte.dev over the older one at svelte.dev/tutorial. It includes more material on top of being more up-to-date.

Re: Windows 11 in Svelte

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post #73

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It failed once recently after an system update. Blank desktop with no shell. Had to ctrl-shift-esc and manually download latest `ep_setup.exe` and run it to get the desktop back. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20230324-00/?p=10... Raymond did not point out which "desktop enhancement software" it was but I suspect this is it.

I like this part: > We have to hope that enough of the users whose systems are crashing realize that it’s due to the “shell enhancement” program (rather than blaming Windows itself, which is the more likely case) I would 100% blame Windows (or Microsoft, rather) for making the shell so awful that people have to resort to these tactics. You can't cripple the steering wheel on a car and then blame people for not findin…

This part too:

>Unfortunately, these patchers also cause Windows customer satisfaction numbers to plunge every time an update goes out,

I've refused/blocked updates for as long as I remember since long before Explorer patchers were a thing, because updates break my shit and waste my fucking time.

I've had more of my time and nerves wasted by updates breaking my shit than "all the bad guys trying to take advantage of unpatched systems". Saying my system is "insecure" is concentrated snake oil.

Seriously, fuck updates with a rusty spork.

I only run Windows Updates once a year or two when I've set aside a few days to work out all the inevitable borkages, and I damn well like it that way. My computer is a tool and an appliance, not a mentally ill schizophrenic who changes their personality every hour.

Re: Windows 11 in Svelte

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Looks great, but not very realistic. The real Win11 start menu doesn't open immediately, it glitches in various ways for 3-4 times before actually working. Realism 7/10

Not nearly enough ads, spyware, or telemetry, plus the feature set remained stable for the entire time I was playing with it. Totally unrealistic.
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