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YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by chaostheory »

tired-turtle wrote: post #566
Veserv wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it perfectly showcases that people do not want to pay 1000% more money for the privilege of paying a monthly subscription. Youtube Premium costs $12/month [1]. Ads average something like $2 per 1000 views to the creators (in some of the most common categories) [2]. Youtube takes a ~45% cut, so Youtube makes ~$4 per 1000 views from ads. So, to reach $12/month, you would need to average 3000 views per month. At a a…

You also get YouTube Music, which is not as great as Spotify, but nonetheless worth something. In fact, that’s the primary reason everyone I know who has YouTube Premium subscribes: music steaming + ad-free YouTube. That needs to be factored into your calculation, no?

being forced to pay for YouTube music is one of the reasons I ended my YouTube premium subscription years a while back

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by bushbaba »

crop_rotation wrote: post #126

YouTube premium perfectly showcases why ads dominate the internet, because even when there is a paid option for a service much cheaper than any alternative, people do not want to pay (And I am not talking about too broke to pay cases). Serving an infinite video catalog is very expensive in terms of all resources (And yes Netflix is not comparable, unlike YouTube, Netflix can highly leverage cache boxes at ISPs). Vime…

Uh, go to peering.google.net. See their “GGC” google global cache nodes. Those are all in-ISP. YouTube arguably has a larger in isp cache network than Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, …etc combined.

Id argue a large amount of YouTube’s traffic is cacheable.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by morsch »

aww_dang wrote: post #590
Veserv wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it perfectly showcases that people do not want to pay 1000% more money for the privilege of paying a monthly subscription. Youtube Premium costs $12/month [1]. Ads average something like $2 per 1000 views to the creators (in some of the most common categories) [2]. Youtube takes a ~45% cut, so Youtube makes ~$4 per 1000 views from ads. So, to reach $12/month, you would need to average 3000 views per month. At a a…

Giving them my card data feels more expensive than $12/month. The model of paying to remove ads always felt like hostage taking. "Is this ad annoying enough for you? No? You think you're a tough guy? Here's an advert of me slicing off your toes. Now tell me your home address so I can mail them to you. Read me the CVV2 numbers from the back of the card to make it stop!"

You can choose to pay for convenient download functionality and background playback on mobile, and think of the ads as a bonus, if you prefer.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by dietr1ch »

Veserv wrote: post #514
crop_rotation wrote: post #126

YouTube premium perfectly showcases why ads dominate the internet, because even when there is a paid option for a service much cheaper than any alternative, people do not want to pay (And I am not talking about too broke to pay cases). Serving an infinite video catalog is very expensive in terms of all resources (And yes Netflix is not comparable, unlike YouTube, Netflix can highly leverage cache boxes at ISPs). Vime…

No, it perfectly showcases that people do not want to pay 1000% more money for the privilege of paying a monthly subscription. Youtube Premium costs $12/month [1]. Ads average something like $2 per 1000 views to the creators (in some of the most common categories) [2]. Youtube takes a ~45% cut, so Youtube makes ~$4 per 1000 views from ads. So, to reach $12/month, you would need to average 3000 views per month. At a a…

Can you put those numbers in terms of exec salaries?

Like, Google Cloud's 2023Q1 profits being ~85% of Sundar's 2022 earnings [0].

[0]: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/03/google-employees-complain-ab...

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by josteink »

Prickle wrote: post #482
acdha wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have no problem paying for services, even for premium tiers when free tier is available. > I don't trust YouTube Premium enough to even try it. These two statements seem to be mutually incompatible unless you're trying to argue that a premium tier doesn't really exist unless you can write the terms of service and audit the company providing it. It's also somewhat hard to follow the logic here: if you don't trust…

Even if I paid for YT premium, the money wouldn't go to the YT creator people I support. It's really that simple. I can no longer trust PayPal, and Patreon doesn't accept my local credit card so that goes down the drain too. They already harvest my data. I refuse to pay them money to exploit me further.

Looking at your posts here, to me it seems like you are actively searching for reasons not to pay. Like you’re trying to justify some sort of cognitive dissonance you have on the matter.

Either pay up or admit (to yourself, us, whatever) that you’re not willing to pay for services you can get in an ad-supported format instead.

Is that really so hard?

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by alpaca128 »

tired-turtle wrote: post #566
Veserv wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it perfectly showcases that people do not want to pay 1000% more money for the privilege of paying a monthly subscription. Youtube Premium costs $12/month [1]. Ads average something like $2 per 1000 views to the creators (in some of the most common categories) [2]. Youtube takes a ~45% cut, so Youtube makes ~$4 per 1000 views from ads. So, to reach $12/month, you would need to average 3000 views per month. At a a…

You also get YouTube Music, which is not as great as Spotify, but nonetheless worth something. In fact, that’s the primary reason everyone I know who has YouTube Premium subscribes: music steaming + ad-free YouTube. That needs to be factored into your calculation, no?

Great, then it shouldn't be a problem to offer a cheaper price for people who only want YouTube, right?

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by xurukefi »

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Ad blocker detection is an arms race and considering how big YouTube is, people will definitely fight back and go very far out of their way to avoid ads. This could get really ugly given that Google controls Chrome and its extension ecosystem.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by MaxikCZ »

asdfman123 wrote: post #580
RadiozRadioz wrote: post #240

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Your bonus is my primary reason for using the service. Invidious, old.reddit.com, Gmail HTML Mode, are perfect examples of the great user experiences we've lost in the pursuit for New Shiny. Directly comparable with their "modern" counterparts. It would be nice if websites started to offer a cut-down version as an option, especially for users in 3rd world countries.

The reddit redesign was just downright horrible and for some reason it’s stayed and we all have to live with it.

You can set to use old.reddit.com in account preferences, and I haven't seen new redesign since I reinstalled windows. That being said, the day the redesign gets pushed off, thats the day I stop using reddit.

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by knallfrosch »

account-5 wrote: post #573

Admittedly I'm not the target audience but for me the percentage of decent videos I'd watch on YouTube Vs the amount of shite on there is sub 0.001. If this happen to me I'd just not watch the video. I never going to pay for premium.

I "watch ads" when I watch on my TV because it's too much of a hassle to disable them. I just mute the TV and watch my phone for 30 seconds..
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