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Sorry Purism, I’m not investing. It’s (possibly) not even legal

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Re: Sorry Purism, I’m not investing. It’s (possibly) not even legal

#21
Several articles on the blog — https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=gabrielsieben.tech — have been criticized for their quality.

I must express my skepticism about this one as well. The article appears sensationalist, with numerous strong statements accompanied by qualifiers, such as "potentially illegally misleading" and "Ponzi scheme if the anecdotes are true." These claims, which rely heavily on anecdotes and hunches, lack factual substance. Some just seem wrong. For instance, the author incorrectly associates low liquidity of notes with fraud, when some financial instruments are simply less liquid. Furthermore, there seems to be a personal bias against Purism, as the investment returns are criticized, even though they are unrelated to the primary topic of questionable legality. The use of emotional language, such as "shady," "sketchy," and "icky," adds no factual value.

Considering the blog's history on HN, my skepticism is heightened. While I'm open to the possibility of Purism's investment solicitation being suspicious — perhaps such a case can be made, I expect an investigative piece to provide more facts and less speculation. It would have been appreciated in this case.

Re: Sorry Purism, I’m not investing. It’s (possibly) not even legal

#22
This doesn't seem to be going well:

    Nov 2022: 2,664,000 / $3,500,000
    Dec 2022: 2,664,000 / $3,500,000
    Today:    2,725,750 / $3,500,000
+$61k in 6 months it not enough to run a hardware company or justify such an odd / risky campaign. I'm also doubtful the $2.6m is real.

They've made a wonderful product with an admirable approach, but something feels wrong here.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20221128104123/https://puri.sm/i... [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20221207172005/https://puri.sm/i... [2] https://puri.sm/ir/convertible-note/

Re: Sorry Purism, I’m not investing. It’s (possibly) not even legal

#23
I love Purism. I'm writing this on one of their laptops, which is beautiful and by far my favourite laptop (and I had one of the good MacBooks!).

But watching them destroy themselves isn't fun. I've recommended Purism laptops to multiple people, only to have Purism ship them faulty machines (twice now, and my laptop shipped with a defective screen). I've watched the phone development with interest, but never got to the point where I felt comfortable actually ordering one. It feels like they're trying too many things at once instead of doubling down on making the world's best Linux laptop.

I receive their investment emails but I don't invest. I'm a customer in this relationship, not a shareholder. If they really want their customers as their shareholders then they should consider switching to being a co-operative.

Re: Sorry Purism, I’m not investing. It’s (possibly) not even legal

#24
post #21

Several articles on the blog — https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=gabrielsieben.tech — have been criticized for their quality. I must express my skepticism about this one as well. The article appears sensationalist, with numerous strong statements accompanied by qualifiers, such as "potentially illegally misleading" and "Ponzi scheme if the anecdotes are true." These claims, which rely heavily on anecdotes and hu…

Hello, author here.

I accept that, and will try to write better in the future. However, I also subscribe to the philosophy that if nobody talks, who will? And so if I have questions, I would rather raise them and be 25% wrong, than leave them undiscussed until they potentially hurt someone. At a minimum, everything gets clarified, I might look like an idiot, but there's still a clarity there that there wasn't previously. Though, as I will admit, my verbiage could be improved and I haven't resorted to having ChatGPT clean up my articles for me yet.

> I expect an investigative piece to provide more facts and less speculation

I can only speculate in the hopes that maybe someone, somewhere, will do a serious investigation. If you can, please do. Everything has to start somewhere though and it hurts to be first.

Re: Sorry Purism, I’m not investing. It’s (possibly) not even legal

#25

The whole accredited investor thing is bullshit

It's not. It serves as a counterbalance to much lighter reporting/auditing requirements for private vs. public companies. It's way easier for a private company to do some creative accounting and do away with your money without committing a criminally punishable offence. The idea is that if you have $1M in assets, you can tolerate that risk (or do your own due diligence), but if your entire life savings is something l…

Right, as a normie investor, I'll stick to gambling with the safe penny stocks

Re: Sorry Purism, I’m not investing. It’s (possibly) not even legal

#26
The company seems to be in deep financial troubles. They've also been violating their refund policy and FTC rules as there are dozens of reports of customers who cancelled their orders months or years ago due to those absurd and frequent delays and they still don't have their money back.

Re: Sorry Purism, I’m not investing. It’s (possibly) not even legal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people posting on the internet have this strange idea that American law is opaque and difficult to understand, but in general it's actually pretty accessible. If you can read software, you can read American legal documents. The reason lawyers get paid so much is that if you're doing something that is right on the boundary[0] then the difference between legal and illegal might be extremely fuzzy, and also worth a…

This isn’t really true. The law as written might be easily understood by reading it. But that is not the entire story. The US has multiple forms of law, Legislative Law, as ratified by the Legislative Body. Then Case Law which is law introduced by Judicial courts which may or may not invalidate, expand, or change the legislative law. The US also has courts under specific bodies such as the EPA. Lawyers exist to be ab…

I think you're reinforcing my point, not disagreeing with it.

You cite examples where the law forbids something, but a judicial opinion allows it. So one easy way to avoid doing something illegal in all of your examples is to simply follow the law as written.

Sure, maybe with legal counsel you could push things a little further, get your nunchuck possession charge dismissed because you were pulled over two hundred yards past the Yuba county line or whatever, but that's different from someone who wants to avoid getting in trouble in the first place.

Re: Sorry Purism, I’m not investing. It’s (possibly) not even legal

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not. It serves as a counterbalance to much lighter reporting/auditing requirements for private vs. public companies. It's way easier for a private company to do some creative accounting and do away with your money without committing a criminally punishable offence. The idea is that if you have $1M in assets, you can tolerate that risk (or do your own due diligence), but if your entire life savings is something l…

It isn't the government's responsibility to protect people from their own mistakes. Accredited investor laws only serve as a gate keeping mechanism.

That's like ... your opinion. It isn't the government's responsibility to make sure there isn't lead in the food you eat, but we have the FDA. Ditto usury laws, medicine laws etc.
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