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For the quarter that ended on March 31, Microsoft posted revenue of $52.9 billion (up 7%) and a profit of $18.3 billion (up 9%). Microsoft had $26.5 billion in cash and equivalents as of March 31. Despite the rosy results, Microsoft employees are not getting pay increases. Nadella's own pay increased 10% from 2021 to 2022, rising to $55 million. This comes off as shortsighted. If I wanted to optimize value, I would o…

It’s because they can. Decency and fairness are immaterial in the context of profit. The only correcting force in my opinion would be a strong union. But unionizing is quite risky and legitimately scary for highly paid employees. Thus, divided we fall.

No they’re not.

People clearly play the Iterated Prisoners Dilemma even in contexts where they’ve been intentionally isolated and freed from context (eg, psychology experiments) because we’ve evolved a group mentality — one that encodes game theory optima as a primal impulse.

Corporate leaders who forget that tend to blow their own company up, when humans instinctually repay defection with defection — as cold, hard math dictates they should.

We’ve seen many examples, in different context - from pay withholding to marketing campaigns that denigrate customers.

Fighting human nature is stupidity.

Re: Microsoft Freezes Salaries for 2023

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I don't understand the framing here; isn't salary dependent on job competition in the market (one which is currently full of layoffs) and has little to do with company profts? Bonuses are what are usually tied to company performance. I'm simplifying, of course, but trying to understand the issue.

Prices are a function of supply and demand, including how much buyers can afford to pay. How much buyers can afford to pay is a function of profits.

A business with higher profits per employer can afford to pay employees more, but that does not mean it will, since prices are still subject to supply and demand.

Whether or not it is a salary or bonus does not matter, it is all part of the price the business pays for the labor.

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Man oh man. Microsoft really just has no interest in keeping motivated and talented people around. The brain drain is going to ramp up even more from here If you're still at MSFT: do yourself a favor and jump ship. It's a good job, but there are even better jobs out there. Just tell the recruiter when you get your new job offer that you've been drinking $5,000 a year's worth of free soda, and you'll need them to matc…

MSFT has an absurd amount of people that have been there for like 15+ years.

Most of them have houses with payments that are next to nothing and can do their jobs in their sleep.

They're not going anywhere.

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You know, nearly anyone qualified to work at Microsoft (at least as an engineer) is qualified to work for some yuppie Wall Street job paying obscene salaries and bonuses; I think this is going to have the selection bias effect of the people remaining are people who cannot find work elsewhere. If their goal is indirectly lay people off, I really think that they have not thought this through.

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Man oh man. Microsoft really just has no interest in keeping motivated and talented people around. The brain drain is going to ramp up even more from here If you're still at MSFT: do yourself a favor and jump ship. It's a good job, but there are even better jobs out there. Just tell the recruiter when you get your new job offer that you've been drinking $5,000 a year's worth of free soda, and you'll need them to matc…

Might need some self-reflection on this comment. You are suggesting you have a better insight than a company that just generated $18b in profit.

They know what they are doing (TM).

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I don't think they said that. They said that as an employee you can buy the stock and see yourself a slight raise in that regard. If an internal raise isn't on the cards.

Right, but if you got a raise you could buy more stock. Without a raise, you're worse off whatever you do.

Of course.

Re: Microsoft Freezes Salaries for 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, I'm basically in the same boat. Satya Nadella has made it abundantly clear that he's a moron, or at the very least a gambling addict. Does it really make sense for him to be in charge of a company that is worth almost as much as the nominal GDP of Africa [1] [2]? [1] https://companiesmarketcap.com/microsoft/marketcap/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Africa

Gambling addict?

Microsoft overhired like crazy in 2021 and 2022, many of which they had to fire later.

This is a bad allocation of funds, but presumably this was done because of the off chance that the market would keep growing and the work for these people would follow.

When you do high-risk things with the express purpose of short-term gains, that's basically just gambling.

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I wish there was a political party who had guts to take on these kind of people. I wish!

What?

And force a company that has mostly employees in the top 2% to pay them even more? I'm not sure the average person cares.

To force them to charge less for their product?

To hire people they don't need?

What are you expecting?

Re: Microsoft Freezes Salaries for 2023

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I don't understand the framing here; isn't salary dependent on job competition in the market (one which is currently full of layoffs) and has little to do with company profts? Bonuses are what are usually tied to company performance. I'm simplifying, of course, but trying to understand the issue.

Happy engineers do better work. Half the reason Google is really falling on its face right now is that management has made it clear to eng that we're not respected the way we were 10 years ago. So we no longer go above and beyond for our employer because they no longer go above and beyond for us.

Doing less work is a classic and reasonable negotiating tactic for employees.

Employees are counter parties to any negotiation and they're not as powerless as big companies like to make them feel.

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In year of fairly high inflation this is a big deal and I don't suggest it will go down well. To be a bit cynically Machiavellian ... 'any' kind of raise would have allowed them to at least avoid the 'no raise' kind of language. This feels like a short sighted tactic - the economy is doing 'well enough' and MS is definitely forward looking at this point, this is going to be a bit of subtle 'sand in the gears'.

Where are these employees going to go?
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