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Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by dxuh »

crop_rotation wrote: post #126

YouTube premium perfectly showcases why ads dominate the internet, because even when there is a paid option for a service much cheaper than any alternative, people do not want to pay (And I am not talking about too broke to pay cases). Serving an infinite video catalog is very expensive in terms of all resources (And yes Netflix is not comparable, unlike YouTube, Netflix can highly leverage cache boxes at ISPs). Vime…

It's not that I wouldn't want to pay. I can just (so far) watch the stuff with an adblocker and have effectively no additional value by giving YouTube money for premium.

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Post by acdha »

Ygg2 wrote: post #206
acdha wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have no problem paying for services, even for premium tiers when free tier is available. > I don't trust YouTube Premium enough to even try it. These two statements seem to be mutually incompatible unless you're trying to argue that a premium tier doesn't really exist unless you can write the terms of service and audit the company providing it. It's also somewhat hard to follow the logic here: if you don't trust…

I like premium stake and would pay for it. I'm not eating premium stake at Cockroach Joe. His sandwiches are alright. How are they incompatible?

That's a lazy rationalization which doesn't even make sense — either way you're getting the exact same sandwich, it's just a question of whether you pay for it directly or by watching ads.

This also doesn't make any sense from the negative way you're describing it: you're eating at Cockroach Joe's every day so clearly you don't really believe the food is bad. If you're using YouTube now, any negative which you can possibly imagine is already happening: they're tracking what you watch and where you watch it from, they're telling advertisers what kind of devices you use as a proxy for your likely spending habits, etc. There's a 0% chance they do that less when it's their only option to make money to cover your usage costs!

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Post by gonzo41 »

bagacrap wrote: post #175
gonzo41 wrote: post #133

Gosh I hope Youtube doesn't shoot it's unicorn in the face. With the number of adds that the youtubers themselves sell, it's just a bit too much. I'd be happy for this if I knew it wasn't going to just be google raking in all the money to themselves but instead had some form of payment partnership with the creators that was fair and equitable. All I see happening here is more adds overall.

Content creators receive approximately 55% of the revenue generated on their channels. What is fair and equitable to you? Bear in mind that the other 45% is not pure profit for YT as most of it pays for hosting, development etc.

One way to frame that is a 45% flat tax on the revenue that creators create for google.

Time for some progressive taxation maybe?

They could make it a tiered system so the low-end views pay more for creators.

Ie, 90% to channels for the first 50K views, then progressive steps down to 55% share for the higher numbers.

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Post by adrr »

porkbeer wrote: post #226
pb7 wrote: post #205

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I have no problem payin a company less terrible than youtube/google/alphabet et al, but I won't fund what they do.

Run an ad network and use your data to serve ads? So you don’t want to pay for them to not do that?

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Post by crop_rotation »

vbezhenar wrote: post #233
crop_rotation wrote: post #126

YouTube premium perfectly showcases why ads dominate the internet, because even when there is a paid option for a service much cheaper than any alternative, people do not want to pay (And I am not talking about too broke to pay cases). Serving an infinite video catalog is very expensive in terms of all resources (And yes Netflix is not comparable, unlike YouTube, Netflix can highly leverage cache boxes at ISPs). Vime…

Peer to peer and microtransactions might work. So some people with computers can keep one tab open and earn some crypto cents. I'm not sure if it's possible to build P2P network with zero trust that could work like that. One issue could be that participating person might technically be involved with distribution of forbidden content like child porn or disney cartoon. So even if they didn't know that and everything wa…

People don't like micro transactions. Please try to think of one micro transaction product that ever got any traction.

The number of desktops is tiny compared to phone and laptop users, so I don't see how this can be scaled. (And it's not even clear the cents people would earn would even cover their electricity/data costs)

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Post by disillusioned »

wkdneidbwf wrote: post #124
karaterobot wrote: post #67

Is it weird that this makes me want to subscribe to YouTube premium less than before? Feels like I've been poised to give them money for a while, since so many people seem to like the service. Now I feel like they're challenging me to a duel.

i don’t think it’s weird, but i signed up for the premium trial a few weeks ago and it is simply astounding how much more enjoyable it makes things. i didn’t realize just how awful things had become until i tried youtube without ads. i know some other folks are complaining about still getting tracked or whatever, but i think the simple truth is that youtube without ads is a vastly superior experience.

I signed up when it was first announced as YT Red years ago ("Member since October 29, 2015") and whenever I use a device without being logged in or I'm on an account without premium, I cringe. I can't believe people live that way. And we watch so much YouTube in this house, it's more than worth it for me, plus more cash to the creators.

I wish I got a discount for ALSO subscribing to YTTV and Google One... that'd be nice, but I'm not parting with YT Premium any time soon. It shows I've had > 790 hours of ad-free videos.

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Post by nextaccountic »

crop_rotation wrote: post #126

YouTube premium perfectly showcases why ads dominate the internet, because even when there is a paid option for a service much cheaper than any alternative, people do not want to pay (And I am not talking about too broke to pay cases). Serving an infinite video catalog is very expensive in terms of all resources (And yes Netflix is not comparable, unlike YouTube, Netflix can highly leverage cache boxes at ISPs). Vime…

> And yes Netflix is not comparable, unlike YouTube, Netflix can highly leverage cache boxes at ISPs

Why can't Google do this? They already have presence at ISPs

Re: YouTube tests blocking videos unless you disable ad blockers

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Post by porkbeer »

jjice wrote: post #139
gentleman11 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like paying a platform that rose to prominence because of piracy, just so that I can watch IP created by other people without youtube inserting a really intense number of ads into the experience. And all the vidoes are ads anyway, it's just via sponsorships and affiliate links now. It feels deeply icky

> I don't like paying a platform that rose to prominence because of piracy Is that true? Yeah it's there, more so in the past, but I have to imagine that was a tiny amount of their viewership. I'd imagine most viewing is from individual channels of real people.

Pirated shows are still a mainstay. I watch pirate ufc content often, and its not even hard to find.

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Post by stainablesteel »

i'm conflicted, because youtube is amazing and has the greatest content on the internet, its easily capable of replacing teachers and this is the most valuable thing you could ever have.

and on the other hand, i adblock anything that looks at me the wrong way. i'm not sure where to go on this.

i've seen some creator-based ads that i would be willing to look into purchasing, but that doesn't actually benefit youtube as a company, is it simply up to me to rely on people who have never heard of adblock as these folk steadily decline out over the next couple decades? i guess premium it is. i don't mind supporting the platform.

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