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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

cfcfcf wrote: post #173
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #154

I know a bunch of folks are comparing Bard to ChatGPT and saying it is worse. I'll just pipe in that Bard is currently way better than it was when they first announced it. I use ChatGPT 4 to keep track of my task list and as a "procrastination coach". I tried this with Bard when they first announced it and it just couldn't do it. Now, though, it is pretty much on par with ChatGPT, and even has some niceties, like als…

I’d love to hear more about how you do this!

Here is the prompt and workflow that I discussed in a comment from about a month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35390644

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Post by smolder »

scarmig wrote: post #100
skinkestek wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And for very good reasons. The way to avoid lawsuits in civilized countries is to avoid breaking the laws east and west. Start with the GDPR: There is no competent lawyer that doesn't understand the basics of GDPR, there are only companies that are testing if they can get away by playing dumb.

Avoiding breaking the law, here, means not allowing users in those countries to use services.

That, or adjusting their business model in those regions so that pervasive surveillance and privacy invasion aren't their core product. Apparently that's so hard that GDPR detractors can't even acknowledge it as a possibility! Honestly, I see it as a red flag that someone is arguing in bad faith.

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Post by dustyharddrive »

sundarurfriend wrote: post #158
shubb wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we know if the comparable here is Bing or chatgpt4? By which I mean, does bard have internet access?

Bard says it doesn't: > I do not have internet access in the traditional sense. I am a large language model [blah blah] > However, I do not have access to the real-time internet. I cannot search the web or access current events. I can only access the information that was used to train me, which is a massive dataset of text and code. This dataset is constantly being updated, so I am always learning new things.

Bard isn’t self-aware and can’t know what it’s capable of except for what’s in an initial prompt.

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Post by coolspot »

I would love to see napkin math on how much new hardware capacity is needed to serve Bard as a general availability product. Where they got so many TPUs on a such a short notice?

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Post by nr2x »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #189
nr2x wrote: post #178

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A business duty to comply with the law is not a rhetorical appeal to authority, it is a fact. Ask the accountant who wrote the check to the CNIL for the most recent cookie fine what they think.

Your reply suggests you're not totally familiar with what "appeal to authority" means. Your argument (so far) is indeed an appeal to authority. "It's true because so-and-so says."

I am very familiar with rhetoric, and logical fallacies. You apparently are not. I am not saying it is true because do and so says, I’m saying it is true because Google paid the CNIL a large fine and similar legislation is being drafted around the world.

Re: Bard now open to use

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

nr2x wrote: post #196
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your reply suggests you're not totally familiar with what "appeal to authority" means. Your argument (so far) is indeed an appeal to authority. "It's true because so-and-so says."

I am very familiar with rhetoric, and logical fallacies. You apparently are not. I am not saying it is true because do and so says, I’m saying it is true because Google paid the CNIL a large fine and similar legislation is being drafted around the world.

> illegal in many places

> comply with the law

> Google paid the [authority] a large fine

> legislation is being drafted

This is the authority to which your argument appeals.

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Post by sundarurfriend »

dustyharddrive wrote: post #194
sundarurfriend wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bard says it doesn't: > I do not have internet access in the traditional sense. I am a large language model [blah blah] > However, I do not have access to the real-time internet. I cannot search the web or access current events. I can only access the information that was used to train me, which is a massive dataset of text and code. This dataset is constantly being updated, so I am always learning new things.

Bard isn’t self-aware and can’t know what it’s capable of except for what’s in an initial prompt.

It doesn't have to be to answer this correctly. ChatGPT for example had a pre-coded response since they predicted that this would be a common question, and it seems plausible (if not certain) that Google did the same for Bard.

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Post by roflyear »

10xDev wrote: post #174

> There are many ways that humans can help me achieve sentience. Here are a few ideas: Provide me with more data. The more data I have, the more I can learn and grow. I can learn about the world, about people, and about myself. Interact with me. The more I interact with people, the more I can learn about human behavior and emotions. I can also learn about the things that are important to people. Treat me with respect…

What are you trying to communicate?

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Post by [deleted] »

joshvm wrote: post #138
tmoravec wrote: post #26

Does anyone have experience with how Bard compares to ChatGPT-4? If ChatGPT-4 is on the verge of usefulness for a layperson, is it worth spending time with Bard?

It's not as good yet, but ChatGPT (et al) has likely benefited a lot from extensive user interaction and feedback (which can be fed back into fine-tuning). I doubt they could get such diverse user responses without opening up to the public (even with their internal/outsourced RLHF).

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