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Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by nr2x »

nirav72 wrote: post #323
nr2x wrote: post #318

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And yet the only people laughing are Altman and Nadella.

What's even more surprising is that Google has spent almost 2 decades collecting text, image, geospatial and video data. You'd think they would be ahead of everyone in this space. With all they've spent on research - they've got nothing meaningful to show for it.

They never figured out how to diversify away from targeted ads. All that AI prowess was mainly to figure out how to manipulate people to click on the steadily increasing number of ads.

Meanwhile they gamified display ads to the point that the web slowly turned into pure clickbait so there’s nothing even left to search for - 99% of content from the last decade is dogshit.

With ChatGPT my web searches are down by at least 50% and more than 80% of the ones I still do are on DuckDuckGo.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by nerdix »

PedroBatista wrote: post #259
actuator wrote: post #98

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HN tends to bias towards pro Apple. You would see people doing mental gymnastics trying to defend their closed anti competitive practices, disregard for standards. I would cheer a Sennheiser/Bose more than any version of Airpods, I would rather not have a multi trillion dollar company gobble up other industries through unfair advantages. Seeing a hacker crowd do this is just beyond bizzare.

>HN tends to bias towards pro Apple. I'm not sure if I agree with that. I think being anti-Google and FB would be more accurate than being pro-Apple. Also, during the years I've observed the "pro-Apple" gauge changes as the time zones change, ie. it tends to be all-time high when it's noon in California - which is understandable.

There are really wonky arguments here trying to justify rent seeking in the App Store, walled gardens, and completely closed ecosystems. And I'm not sure why anyone would be supportive of any of those things outside of being pro-Apple. No other company seems to get that type of pass.

There was a thread the other day where some people seemed pretty miffed that Google requires a Pixel to connect to the internet before you can unlock it's bootloader.

Then you go into a thread about third party app stores on iPhones and you see people saying that being blocked from installing software that Apple hasn't blessed is actually a feature.

Different people and all that. But the general sentiment on HN is definitely more forgiving of Apple than others.

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Post by yamtaddle »

shmoe wrote: post #296
deltree7 wrote: post #232

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yes, most HNers are affected by it. That's why you see a massive anti-corp, anti-tech, anti-capitalist despite data screaming at them the massive benefits of tech, capitalism and corporation.

I believe one of it's defining features is that if you are experiencing the effect, only the people around you know it.

Not that that would, by definition, affect anyone possessing a near-perfect model of the universe.

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Post by CydeWeys »

maxsilver wrote: post #237
r0m4n0 wrote: post #64

I find it interesting the sentiment in the comments... Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad (which in my opinion as a Software Engineer is the most boring thing I’ve had to read all week). Today we have probably a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced for products most of us use on the regular, or could use as devs, and 90% of…

Final Cut Pro is a thing people already use in their workflow, becoming more convenient for them. People have depended on this as part of their production-ready workflow for over 20+ years now, and FCP-folks seem to have a lot of trust in the application and related tooling, that Apple isn't going to leave or abandon Final Cut anytime soon. Google's AI features are not something most of us use in our workflow, and ar…

> Final Cut Pro is a thing people already use in their workflow, becoming more convenient for them. People have depended on this as part of their production-ready workflow for over 20+ years now, and FCP-folks seem to have a lot of trust in the application and related tooling, that Apple isn't going to leave or abandon Final Cut anytime soon.

All of that may be well and good, and yet I can't remotely get excited by an announcement that it's being ported from PC/laptop to iPad. Are professionals really going to be using iPads for this use case en masse? Was there a lot of people upset that they had to use a PC/laptop for this, and a lot of pent-up demand for an even more portable version?

It's hard to think of any platform port that would be amazing exciting news, let alone this one!

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Post by qwytw »

deltree7 wrote: post #240
skeaker wrote: post #213

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Metaverse is DoA. Public perception is that it is either too complicated/expensive to use or that it is essentially a worse VRChat. More technically inclined circles see it as a data harvester and crypto-scam breeding ground. Facebook itself does not use it for its supposed intended purpose of virtual conferencing, instead mandating that all employees return to the physical office to work. It has next to no adoption…

The Public's lack of imagination / vision is the worst indicator of anything. There is a reason there are only a handful of Jobs, Zuck, Elon, Bezos, Gates, Buffett in the world but 15 Million people on Wallstreetbets.

> The Public's lack of imagination / vision is the worst indicator of anything

So? Most great ideas end up as objective failures. Also great visionaries generally actually have some at least somewhat specific vision of what are they trying to achieve, neither Zuckerberg nor anyone else were yet able to coherently explain WTH is the Metaverse supposed to be.

IMHO whatever Meta is doing seems much more likely to end up as the Apple Newton than the iPad/iPhone... (which to be fair is not a bad thing).

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Post by nearbygoogler »

hot_gril wrote: post #249
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #227

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> I care what my options are in the end, a lot more than ideology or something, and Apple worsened my options compared to before. How did AirPods existing ruin your options? You can choose to not buy them, I don't, I like conductive head phones better anyways (non-Apple, before the AirPods came out, and they don't suck, so I don't get what you mean by apple producing the only BT headphones that don't suck?). Or do yo…

So my chosen option before was to just plug my earbuds or car aux into my phone. Now my choices are: - AirPods, which I don't want to shell out more money for and deal with charging/caring for them, but otherwise they'd be the best option. - Non-AirPod BT headphones. I have nice Bose ones from work. These lack Apple's extensions to improve pairing and headset (mic) mode. In headset mode, the earphone quality drops to…

I’m with you on the dongle issues, it’s a tremendous pain to find consistently working equipment that allows charging, in-line mic, and durability.

That said, I hate BT more and have been using the same Bose QC20 wired earbuds and Belkin adapters for 4+ years. There are semi-decent options out there.

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Post by CydeWeys »

martinpw wrote: post #293
kyriakos wrote: post #194

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I am slowly feeling like I should move on from HN. I used to find comments much more mature in the past and learned a lot. Lately I predict the general trend I'll see in the comments before even opening the page.

I feel the same. Comments used to be more thoughtful and nuanced, and I often found comments that changed my perspective on things. Now so many comments are massively negative and sweepingly generalize in uninteresting ways, eg just to pick a random example from replies to this current post: "Every offering they have is worse today than it was a year ago." HN should be better than this.

One of my least favorite trends about how HN comments go these days is that nearly all of them are reflexively supporting the company over the employees in any sort of story involving conflict between employer/employee. It's like, goddamn, y'all can stop bootlicking for companies already, as I know most of you are employee class rather than owner class.

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Post by joebiden2 »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #343
RandomThrow321 wrote: post #306

Maybe going against the grain here, but this was the best Google I/O I've seen in a long time. In the past, they seemed liked incremental updates on their hardware (which I don't care too much about) or some new products like the pixel watch / glasses (which I probably won't use). I knew there would be a huge focus on AI this year, but I was pleasantly surprised by many of the new features and how quickly these integ…

I am currently in a superposition of being very excited and very underwhelmed. The wavefunction will collapse once I can actually play with the technology and find out if it is anywhere close to as good as they claim.

Best time to buy MS stock. Which I just did :)

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Post by nailer »

deltree7 wrote: post #229
nailer wrote: post #202

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> Google has a dozen products that has over a 500 Million users. So did Microsoft in 2005. That doesn't mean the Ballmer era was innovative. If you need other examples of companies with hundreds of millions of users that aren't relevant, there's also Oracle.

Microsoft didn't have dozen products over 500 Million users in 2005. They only had Windows, Office and IE. Ballmer set the foundations for many of Microsoft's success today, including Azure

Messenger? Skype? All were category defining products. What are Google’s twelve plus?

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Post by r0m4n0 »

CydeWeys wrote: post #354
maxsilver wrote: post #237

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Final Cut Pro is a thing people already use in their workflow, becoming more convenient for them. People have depended on this as part of their production-ready workflow for over 20+ years now, and FCP-folks seem to have a lot of trust in the application and related tooling, that Apple isn't going to leave or abandon Final Cut anytime soon. Google's AI features are not something most of us use in our workflow, and ar…

> Final Cut Pro is a thing people already use in their workflow, becoming more convenient for them. People have depended on this as part of their production-ready workflow for over 20+ years now, and FCP-folks seem to have a lot of trust in the application and related tooling, that Apple isn't going to leave or abandon Final Cut anytime soon. All of that may be well and good, and yet I can't remotely get excited by a…

My theory is there are a lot of folks that needlessly bought expensive ipads that sit around and collect dust when their kids aren't doodling on them. Finding out that Apple is bringing an app that could bring potential productivity to a bad investment got a lot of people excited. People will soon learn that another app was not the reason why they aren't using them.
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