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Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by tlogan »

r0m4n0 wrote: post #64

I find it interesting the sentiment in the comments... Yesterday we had an Apple post where everyone was losing their minds all day about Final Cut Pro on iPad (which in my opinion as a Software Engineer is the most boring thing I’ve had to read all week). Today we have probably a massive lineup of a bunch of new AI features to be announced for products most of us use on the regular, or could use as devs, and 90% of…

The Hacker News community are mainly "doers" - action-oriented individuals who prefer a hands-on approach. I think we yearn for opportunities to experiment with new technologies, not simply hear about their potentials.

This year's Google I/O appears to be heavy on talk about new technologies, but light on tangible releases for us to explore.

In order words, the true value lies not in the promise of a product, but in its practical application. So, I urge Google to present us with tools, APIs, products, we can actively engage with, rather than just talk about and endless "waiting lists".

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by toddmorey »

RandomThrow321 wrote: post #306

Maybe going against the grain here, but this was the best Google I/O I've seen in a long time. In the past, they seemed liked incremental updates on their hardware (which I don't care too much about) or some new products like the pixel watch / glasses (which I probably won't use). I knew there would be a huge focus on AI this year, but I was pleasantly surprised by many of the new features and how quickly these integ…

It will be interesting to see how the data & AI conversations evolve. A bit like smartphones, I’m scared we’ll first see an explosion of features then some backtracking to figure out the security & privacy models. I wish we’d learned to start with security.

I didn’t get to see the entire thing, but I did see the AI-enabled cinematic photo backgrounds. All I could think is man that’s a lot of analysis of my personal images for a mild parallax effect.

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Post by ducttapecrown »

bo-tao wrote: post #324
satvikpendem wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I guess that internal memo was true, there is no moat in AI, for Google, OpenAI, or any other, as long as AI continues to improve.

What does it mean to have no moat?

A "moat" is the protection company A has against company B building a clone of company A's product. For example, YouTube has the set of people who have a habit of logging on to YouTube to watch content. A competitor has to convince all those people to change their habits. This is known to be a hard problem, so it's a moat!

Netflix thought they had a similar moat of user-habits. But it turns out that the more important moat in the streaming market is a moat of content.

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Post by satvikpendem »

bo-tao wrote: post #324
satvikpendem wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I guess that internal memo was true, there is no moat in AI, for Google, OpenAI, or any other, as long as AI continues to improve.

What does it mean to have no moat?

Here's the article I was referring to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35813322

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by parasubvert »

fallat wrote: post #210
actuator wrote: post #98

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HN tends to bias towards pro Apple. You would see people doing mental gymnastics trying to defend their closed anti competitive practices, disregard for standards. I would cheer a Sennheiser/Bose more than any version of Airpods, I would rather not have a multi trillion dollar company gobble up other industries through unfair advantages. Seeing a hacker crowd do this is just beyond bizzare.

This is why I stopped calling HN, HN. It's YCombinator news. It's not news for hackers - maybe at one point, but not anymore and not for awhile. It may even be seen as looked down on because you're posting on a site run by venture capitalists.

the fallacy you have is that all hackers are socialists or folks that dislike venture capital or capitalism.

I can assure you many hackers are libertarian or anarchists of some flavour (from mutualists to anarcho-capitalists). Many celebrate Apple because they want to build the next Apple some day.

HN has always slanted for the latter crowd, though certainly open to everyone.

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by rightbyte »

bilalq wrote: post #235

The focus on watermarking is interesting. If the major players embed watermarking, it probably will be meaningfully be used to detect cases where generated content is passed off as real. Unfortunately, proving authenticity isn't going to be possible. It's inevitable that there will be models out there built specifically to attempt to evade such detection. Society needs to adapt to the new reality that anything can be…

> Society needs to adapt to the new reality that anything can be faked.

It is only the price tag that has dropped. Faking stuff have become democracized.

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Post by eclipxe »

RandomThrow321 wrote: post #306

Maybe going against the grain here, but this was the best Google I/O I've seen in a long time. In the past, they seemed liked incremental updates on their hardware (which I don't care too much about) or some new products like the pixel watch / glasses (which I probably won't use). I knew there would be a huge focus on AI this year, but I was pleasantly surprised by many of the new features and how quickly these integ…

Agreed. HN hates all things Google, but this was a great show.

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Post by nerdix »

parasubvert wrote: post #328
actuator wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN tends to bias towards pro Apple. You would see people doing mental gymnastics trying to defend their closed anti competitive practices, disregard for standards. I would cheer a Sennheiser/Bose more than any version of Airpods, I would rather not have a multi trillion dollar company gobble up other industries through unfair advantages. Seeing a hacker crowd do this is just beyond bizzare.

Hacker crowds like to see underdogs win. Apple was the ultimate underdog for most of its existence, and was "doomed" every year up until around 2013. There's no mental gymnastics involved, no upstanding hacker respects "standards" unless they're better for the user (often they're not). It is a matter of taste and preference. Remember, Microsoft also was for a LONG time an attractor of hackers, until the early-mid 90s…

Maybe for people of a certain age. But there is a whole generation of people (some of whom are on HN) who have only ever known a world where everyone wanted the latest iThing. It's been probably 15 years since you could seriously consider Apple an underdog in the tech space.

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Post by eclipxe »

nr2x wrote: post #261
motoboi wrote: post #248

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You now that, I know that, everyone knows that. And yet, google stresses it everytime, like the company is anxious that people is looking for OpenAI and not google.

Some of the key people behind translate founded OpenAI. Don’t forget it’s always been about the people, not the brand. Google was good at attracting and retaining the best and brightest. Now they aren’t.

Citation needed?

Re: Google I/O 2023

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Post by sweeds »

bo-tao wrote: post #324
satvikpendem wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I guess that internal memo was true, there is no moat in AI, for Google, OpenAI, or any other, as long as AI continues to improve.

What does it mean to have no moat?

No competitive advantage that protects the business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_moat

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