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My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by mrguyorama »

peterfirefly wrote: post #544
spamizbad wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but is that causal? For example, maybe there's some other factor (like SES) that's driving both. And switching to IQ tests doesn't really solve the problem, as your avenues for cheating on that are identical to LC. You could probably screen candidates based on the question "Did any of your parents go to college? And if so, did they study or work in a STEM field?" and be roughly as predictable. (This is terrible…

We know for a fact that it is IQ that is driving SES and not the other way around.

What evidence do you have for this claim? You are suggesting SES is a meritocracy around IQ.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by scarface74 »

bumby wrote: post #607
yCombLinks wrote: post #216

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There's a very well studied decline in trust in America over time. Despite your snark no one claimed we never cheated etc. It's just getting much worse

Does this correlate with the increase in polarization? I know Jonathan Haidt has spoken about his research on the increase in polarization is America. If that correlation exists, it may point to an alternative hypothesis to the GP claim that the issue is rooted in those coming from "low trust" societies and due to an internal mechanism.

This gets back to my other statement where people seem to ignore Jim Crow laws and the segregated south. How much more “polarized” can people be than literally being forced by law to do everything separately?

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by everybodyknows »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #538
system16 wrote: post #509

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I find it odd this article doesn't provide any examples of low and high trust societies.

What about using the corruption index and equating it to the trust level? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

Caveat:

> The Index only measures public sector corruption, ignoring the private sector.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by mrguyorama »

wootland wrote: post #373
CydeWeys wrote: post #341

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Cheaters getting ahead of honest people is of course a problem and I don't understand how you could possibly say it isn't. Those cheaters are taking away jobs and promotions from people who deserve it more.

If by the cheaters you mean the executives and investors who personally capture all of the profit, then I couldn't agree more. The reason that we're suffering from "inflation" and see record high wealth inequality is because the people at the top are hoarding all of the capital and profit leaving little for the vast majority of people.

Yes and that's bad but kevin over there cheating his way up the corporate ladder to be one of those execs is PART OF THAT PROBLEM

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by BeetleB »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #2

Yes, it's fundamentally unfair to those interviewees who don't cheat. And the process is broken. However, the conclusion this person reaches - we must conduct these broken interviews in person so the cheaters can't cheat - is the wrong one. Look at it from the point of view of the hiring company now, not the interviewer. They got a person who was good enough (based on the merits of their actual work, not interview pe…

> They may not have found the very best person for the job (very subjective and unknowable anyway), but if the process didn't result in an under-performer taking the job, the process did not fail.

My process is that I hire only men. I have not yet had an underperformer. Hence, my process never failed.

At some level, fairness is important. And no, it's not important only when there is a law behind it.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by skanga »

tristor wrote: post #160

I'm probably going to get roasted for saying this, but this is completely unsurprising to me. When I was in college, folks from India and other low trust societies would mercilessly cheat on their projects and exams, blatantly helping one another on individual works, and the college knew about it and didn't care. When I had brought this up at one point, I was told by a professor that it was a cultural difference that…

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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by dang »

guhidalg wrote: post #330
kelipso wrote: post #290

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Yep, I know for a fact the higher ups tell (heavily imply to) the professors/lecturers to go easy on the undergrad international students with cheating and other behaviors at least in the smaller US colleges.

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

Fortunately, most of your comments have been fine so this should be easy to fix.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by rdtsc »

Corruption is like cancer. It spreads and metastasizes through society quickly. If students see other students cheat and get ahead and not get punished they'll be incentivized to cheat. If instructors see a large number of students getting 100%, obviously the material is too easy, they'll make the problems harder. Pretty soon it is impossible to operate or do anything without either bribing or cheating.

Dishonesty and a cavalier attitude towards cheating is something taught at home early on. Poverty, institutional disfunction play a role but at some point they become part of the societal mores. If you don't cheat you just look stupid and naive and people make fun of you.

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by dang »

scarface74 wrote: post #176
JohnFen wrote: post #164

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> > In business there is no cheating, there is only making money and not making money. This is the attitude that turns business from being something that is for the greater benefit of all into something that more like a cancer, harmful to all.

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Can you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments and taking HN further into generic ideological battle? Regardless of how right you are or feel you are, it's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

Fortunately it doesn't look like your comments have been dominated by this, but still, we've had to ask you this several times in the past. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23863318 (July 2020)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21618278 (Nov 2019)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20158037 (June 2019)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19539635 (April 2019)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18018671 (Sept 2018)

Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)

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Post by dang »

knicholes wrote: post #129

If one considers Kant's categorical imperative, "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law," then also considers how they'd feel if they were go to visit a doctor who had cheated or is cheating, one certainly must draw the conclusion that cheating is indeed immoral and undesirable.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35887145.
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