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Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

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Re: Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

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There's a far more fundamental problem in the US: The system and methods of government have degenerated to the point of not producing anything of value. A visitor from another planet would probably laugh hysterically at how ridiculous the whole thing looks like from the outside. Is this what the Roman Empire looked like?

I don't think you need to find a visitor from another planet, just another country.

Re: Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

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The article points this out at the end, but the reason is clear: because scientists are supposed to be pragmatic, not ideology-driven. Therefore, in a bi-party political world like the US, it would be difficult for them to fit in, in terms of policies. Most of the policies (on either side) are not evidence-based and actually have counter-productive effects in the long run (Charles Murray explained this through severa…

Nobody who has worked in academia would claim that scientists are somehow "more pragmatic". Capricious, scheming, vindictive... just like the rest of the population :) Plus the fact that scientists are typically paid by tax payers', in a stable governmental position (at least in Europe), and many never held any real job in their whole lives, only adds to my doubts.

We have a lot of career politicians here as well who only worked in their respective parties usually starting in the youth organizations and then working their way up the ranks.

I'm curious though what you consider a to be "real" job.

Re: Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

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The article points this out at the end, but the reason is clear: because scientists are supposed to be pragmatic, not ideology-driven. Therefore, in a bi-party political world like the US, it would be difficult for them to fit in, in terms of policies. Most of the policies (on either side) are not evidence-based and actually have counter-productive effects in the long run (Charles Murray explained this through severa…

Nobody who has worked in academia would claim that scientists are somehow "more pragmatic". Capricious, scheming, vindictive... just like the rest of the population :) Plus the fact that scientists are typically paid by tax payers', in a stable governmental position (at least in Europe), and many never held any real job in their whole lives, only adds to my doubts.

Heh. We are definitely just as vindictive and scheming as anybody else, I'll admit. The thing is, though, that our worldview is based on evidence. No matter how vicious the funding committee meetings get, we are expected to have rational arguments for all of our claims and we are expected to back up our arguments with factual, tested evidence.

We may sink as low as anybody else, rhetorically speaking, but when we choose to we can do a lot better than the average person.

Re: Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

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Why would a scientist want to be a politician? So they can spend their days fighting over paperwork instead of solving problems they're passionate about?

The kind of people that want to be scientists would have no interest in politics, beyond what it takes to get them funding.

Re: Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

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What is the article arguing? Is there even an argument made? Why should Americans elect more scientists? Will it lead to a higher quality of living or more wealth or what? It mentions China as a pro-scientists country, but why? It's riddled with human rights violations, corruption and environmental pollution. While American politicians decry climate change openly, China just seems to ignore it. Singapore is a city-st…

> It's riddled with human rights violations, corruption and environmental pollution.

More likely because it's a poor country than because it is pro-scientist.

> While American politicians decry climate change openly, China just seems to ignore it.

They are doing significant efforts in green technology. Furthermore, China isn't all that bad if you look at per capita statistics which is arguably more fair to compare.

Re: Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

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There's a far more fundamental problem in the US: The system and methods of government have degenerated to the point of not producing anything of value. A visitor from another planet would probably laugh hysterically at how ridiculous the whole thing looks like from the outside. Is this what the Roman Empire looked like?

I don't think you need to find a visitor from another planet, just another country.

My attempt to be culturally neutral. You can always blame Martians and nobody will get upset.

Re: Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

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I think the really big factor here is that scientists don't want to go into politics! Maybe I'm painting the world with an overly broad brush here, but politics and science approach the truth in exactly opposite ways. I'm not going to say that politics is a game of lies, because it's not, but politicians essentially invent the truth as they go along. It's similar in some ways to law or the humanities, where the truth…

  I think the really big factor here is that scientists
  don't want to go into politics!
Pretty much my guess. A lot of people I know say that, if they were mysteriously elected president, their first words would be "I quit!".

Re: Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

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There's a far more fundamental problem in the US: The system and methods of government have degenerated to the point of not producing anything of value. A visitor from another planet would probably laugh hysterically at how ridiculous the whole thing looks like from the outside. Is this what the Roman Empire looked like?

You don't even need to be from another planet. I'm from Germany and I'm baffled at US politics pretty much every time I read about it.

That isn't to say that it's better in any way here - we just have more political parties, so the nonsense is spread out a bit more, but that still doesn't mean we have less nonsense.

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