Pearson taking legal action over use of its textbooks to train language models

Post by nicenewtemp84 » Wed, May 10, 2023, 3:30 PM UTC

DANmode wrote: post #36

nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #2

My favorite anti depression book is Feeling Good by Dr. Burns. I especially like the "if that were true, it would mean that..." exercise in the book, where you drill down to the root cause of your negative thoughts. So I asked chatgpt about the book, and the exercise, and how to do it, and examples of the 9 cognitive distortions you're supposed to label your responses with. It was very helpful and knew the material w…

People and information want to be free. I'm sure the author would have no problem with everyone in the world receiving a free summary — once they know they've been fed and cared for.

Post by satvikpendem » Wed, May 10, 2023, 3:47 PM UTC

throw74774 wrote: post #37

satvikpendem wrote: post #35

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What kind of "value" are they capturing? In my viewpoint, something one makes which can be built upon by another freely and without limit is what helps humanity. I don't want anyone necessarily trying to capture rent-seeking "value" out of their work that cannot be extended by others. That is one reason why I abhor copyright, patents, and intellectual property in general.

You cannot extend anyone’s work if you have no food or resources.

Post by throw74774 » Wed, May 10, 2023, 4:34 PM UTC

satvikpendem wrote: post #44

throw74774 wrote: post #37

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You cannot extend anyone’s work if you have no food or resources.

That is an economic argument for something like UBI, not an argument to artificially keep jobs and limit technological progress just so people can make money.

Post by satvikpendem » Wed, May 10, 2023, 4:42 PM UTC

throw74774 wrote: post #46

satvikpendem wrote: post #44

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That is an economic argument for something like UBI, not an argument to artificially keep jobs and limit technological progress just so people can make money.

All jobs are artificially kept, as would UBI be. They are all artifacts of the law. Money is a way to allocate resources, and technological progress depends on people having incentives to contribute. Do you think LLMs are a natural phenomenon?

Post by nickfromseattle » Wed, May 10, 2023, 4:59 PM UTC

satvikpendem wrote: post #43

nickfromseattle wrote: post #41

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Is an LLM that slurps up all data created ever, without compensating the creators of that data, and then charges for that access not the definition of "rent seeking"? Next question, does this share similarities with academic journals that most folks do consider rent seeking organization?

I never said that was okay either. LLMs should be open source and open data. Yes, this viewpoint shares similarities with academic journals that also rent seek.