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My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#322Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…
I'm against cheating and have never done it and probably never will, but I have an equal amount of disgust for leetcode in an interview process.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#323Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…
Like Canada Bill Jones said, "It's immoral to let a sucker keep his money."
This is work we're talking about. If somebody will pay $250,000 because somebody else can answer a trivia question, people will figure out how to answer that trivia question correctly.
I don't have any problem with it. If your business is getting suckered by people with some 2-laptop scheme, it's on you to fix it. Or if the 2-laptop people end up being good enough at the job, who cares?
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#324If one considers Kant's categorical imperative, "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law," then also considers how they'd feel if they were go to visit a doctor who had cheated or is cheating, one certainly must draw the conclusion that cheating is indeed immoral and undesirable.
I'd rather my doctor look up an answer in a medical textbook rather than "not cheat" and allow me to die in adherence to the noble idea that only the ideas we can keep in our long-term memory are worthy.
Verifying a measurement isn’t cheating. The word exists because it is memory externalized.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#325I'm probably going to get roasted for saying this, but this is completely unsurprising to me. When I was in college, folks from India and other low trust societies would mercilessly cheat on their projects and exams, blatantly helping one another on individual works, and the college knew about it and didn't care. When I had brought this up at one point, I was told by a professor that it was a cultural difference that…
It's the "fake it 'til you make it" and "good artists copy, great artists steal" mentality that some people really stretch and abuse the meaning of to lift any guilty conscience they would otherwise have, and think "if you can't win, then join 'em".
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a very well studied decline in trust in America over time. Despite your snark no one claimed we never cheated etc. It's just getting much worse
Nobody claimed that americans never cheated, yet the blame of things getting worse is put on GP on those coming from “low trust” societies. It’s a xenophobic lie, like if Americans don’t celebrate lying on positive euphemisms like “fake it till you make it” or “being a good salesman”
It may be xenophobic, but whether it's a lie is separate from that and it may or may not be. Unpalatable assertions can still be true.
For what it's worth, "fake it till you make it" is far from being universally seen as positive, and (car) salesmen are seen as one of the most untrustworthy and least liked professions (just above telemarketers and members of congress). [1]
1: https://thehill.com/business/3812900-here-are-the-most-and-l...
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm so curious about that last one. You interviewed and accepted one person, but a different person showed up to actually work? If so, that's incredibly bizarre.
Apparently this is moderately common especially during remote Covid work; there were some discussions of it on HN, even to where the person interviewed and accepted was not the person working, and apparently the work was being done by an entire group of people.
Been remote since 2015 and not gonna lie, thought about finding contractors on Fiverr or e-Lance (or whatever e-Lance is called these days) to do just that.
Basically become a PM for a team of four Vietenamese kids and pull in pay from 3 gigs.
I later did some contracting on the side of a full-time job in 2018 and it was hard -- confusion and burnout set in quickly. But still think about the offshoring approach sometimes...
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#328I'm probably going to get roasted for saying this, but this is completely unsurprising to me. When I was in college, folks from India and other low trust societies would mercilessly cheat on their projects and exams, blatantly helping one another on individual works, and the college knew about it and didn't care. When I had brought this up at one point, I was told by a professor that it was a cultural difference that…
According to game theory [0], it all comes right in the end..
Sadly, the time horizon is far too long, and the individual short term benefit far too high for this to be (currently) working out as hoped..
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#329Interviews are indeed broken and largely pointless. For so many reasons, interviews often have no real relationship to the work or skills required. It's no surprise that interview cheaters can still be successful at roles. Of course it's also possible that they aren't really accomplishing much at work due to any other number of company failures. I refuse to do rounds of interviews any more. I will have the initial re…
Agreed that interviewing is largely broken and pointless. Often due to companies trying to standardize their process. I once went to interview at a company where a few former colleagues work and they had standardized their interview process. I was really put out as a lot of the interview was answering questions that they already knew my skill level in and even acknowledging it.
The situation where the job you accept is below your skill set may be a failing on your side of the interview process. When interviewing I'm as concerned about finding out what I can about the job and what it entails as I am about making a good impression to the interviewer. I'm not going to accept a job where I'm not confident that I'm going to enjoy it. On the other side of the table I'm constantly surprised at how few candidates actually take an interest in what they are going to be doing, even when given very explicit opportunities to engage in that way. I don't want to hire someone that is going to turn around and leave because it wasn't what they expected.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
> When I was in college, folks from India and other low trust societies would mercilessly cheat on their projects and exams, blatantly helping one another on individual works, and the college knew about it and didn't care. When I had brought this up at one point, I was told by a professor that it was a cultural difference that had to be respected . The reality (speaking from experience) may be that international stud…
Yep, I know for a fact the higher ups tell (heavily imply to) the professors/lecturers to go easy on the undergrad international students with cheating and other behaviors at least in the smaller US colleges.
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