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Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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I've used Fastmail for over 10 years now, but they may not be "proven" enough to be a True Scotsman.

Google has 50x more people working in security than fastmail has total employees.

Good job moving those goalposts.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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We get dazzled by "benchmark number higher" and ignore other factors. The lock-in means I'd need to have a gun to my head to use an Apple product. I can't game on it or use Linux. My laptop and desktop are both ~10 years old- how long are Apple computers supported? These factors don't show up in benchmarks but they are just as important.

Your laptop and desktop are 10 years old, and that’s it. They are not supported by anyone, they just didn’t die on you yet. Apple actually supports their devices for that long easily, that’s one category they really outshine their competitors in. Also, the macs are not at all locked down if we are talking about that. OSX is pretty much a general linux with a generally supported graphical environment on top.

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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What I want to do is not have to have a unified build system for multiple platforms and ABIs without any problem, but for some reason, to target anything apple, I have to use a physical apple machine. It's absolutely abusing market position, because it ends up being that in my profession, you end up purchasing mac computers for the whole office, because then you can target all platforms without any fuss. Not because…

Yes, and I wonder why do we have Wine to run Windows stuff on Linux, but we have no equivalent to run OSX programs on Linux ... Is nobody interested in implementing the OSX APIs on Linux?

OS X is not developed anymore for a while now. I assume you mean MacOS.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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post #288

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We get dazzled by "benchmark number higher" and ignore other factors. The lock-in means I'd need to have a gun to my head to use an Apple product. I can't game on it or use Linux. My laptop and desktop are both ~10 years old- how long are Apple computers supported? These factors don't show up in benchmarks but they are just as important.

Your laptop and desktop are 10 years old, and that’s it. They are not supported by anyone, they just didn’t die on you yet. Apple actually supports their devices for that long easily, that’s one category they really outshine their competitors in. Also, the macs are not at all locked down if we are talking about that. OSX is pretty much a general linux with a generally supported graphical environment on top.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264

MBP from 2017 is the oldest supported device.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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post #288

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Your laptop and desktop are 10 years old, and that’s it. They are not supported by anyone, they just didn’t die on you yet. Apple actually supports their devices for that long easily, that’s one category they really outshine their competitors in. Also, the macs are not at all locked down if we are talking about that. OSX is pretty much a general linux with a generally supported graphical environment on top.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264 MBP from 2017 is the oldest supported device.

By the latest OS. By what OS is your desktop supported actively?

Also, iphones are supported for almost 10 years.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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post #295

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https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213264 MBP from 2017 is the oldest supported device.

By the latest OS. By what OS is your desktop supported actively? Also, iphones are supported for almost 10 years.

Fedora 38, Windows 10

I'm not asking about phones, we were talking about laptops.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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This shit is why I use Google products on my iphone: gmail, calendar (with reminders), contacts, etc. (Paid version at that: I pay for google workspace, even for personal use) I'm not locked in to the Apple ecosystem: I can use it on my Linux desktop, or switch to an Android phone at any time.

So instead you're locked to Google. It's fine, many people are because of Gmail. Other people though would rather be locked to Apple.

I’m not even sort of locked to google.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Google has 50x more people working in security than fastmail has total employees.

Good job moving those goalposts.

Thanks, you too.

I’m sorry but yeah, if you want a concrete solution that is on par with what google offers in terms of privacy and security, you can’t go with a random company and everything I said before stands. And in this scenario, fastmail IS a random company no matter how long you’ve used them.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Yes, and I wonder why do we have Wine to run Windows stuff on Linux, but we have no equivalent to run OSX programs on Linux ... Is nobody interested in implementing the OSX APIs on Linux?

It's a very fast moving target. Apple keeps rewriting and deprecating stuff faster than they can write the documentation. As a newcomer to native macOS development, I'm sometimes struggling to even find working examples.

Not that it's any relief, but this is also the case with Windows too. MS often introduces breaking changes in the Windows API and rarely adds/updates examples.

Unfortunately, it's the norm in most massive closed source ecosystems like these.

On the one hand, it makes being a developer on these platforms pretty painful at times, and on the other hand, it also increases the value in having expertise with them.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Apple almost went out of business allowing macOS to run on non-Apple hardware. I think there are still people there who have an irrational fear from that time. From a current financial/business standpoint, Apple considers itself a hardware company that includes their custom OS with their hardware. From that angle it makes no sense to allow it to run on non-Apple hardware. Sort of like Sony being ok with the PS OS run…

But it also makes no sense to forbid it. If Apple were a hardware company, letting people use their software on other devices wouldn't cut their baseline. After all, people buy Apple because of the hardware, right? Apparently not, and because they subsidise the software using hardware sales, they don't want to decouple the two. The Sony/PS situation is exactly the opposite: Sony subsidizes hardware using software (ga…

Now that Apple leans into services revenue it might make sense to license the OS for clones, if they could still sell you an Apple Music subscription on your Samsung iOS device. But as matwood said above in the 90s they traded high-end hardware sales for much less lucrative license fees and lost badly. It was one of the very first things Jobs tried to fix when he returned, and he ended the program because he couldn't get terms he liked from the licensees. (Which in retrospect is weird because it put them entirely out of business, but shrug.)
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