US society is based on merit, but not just merit, also on trust.
Once this behavior is normalized, the trust aspect will start eroding.
My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#162Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…
If people can do there job well enough to get promoted, that does tell you that the interview process is broken and not indicative of how well someone can perform on the job.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#163Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…
I relate heavily to the spirit of your comments. Wouldn't we all be better off if we lived in a society that is built on trust and honesty. However, I think you're being a little naive if you think the days of "yesteryear" were somehow different in man's capacity and willingness to do what he needs to do to survive. I mean in every facet of life we're basically awash in never before seen capacity to benefit from dish…
>what he needs to do to survive
Robbing a loaf of bread so your children can eat is very different from cheating on a test/interview for a job with a kingly salary. One is doing what one needs to do to survive, and morally justifiable. The other is pathetic and craven.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#164Reading some of the comments in this thread I'm surprised. It seems that a substantial number of people think one of the following: a.) cheating on interviews is ok, because interviews don't reflect the actual job b.) this is acceptable because the promotion process is distinct from the interview process or c.) that the cheaters clearly are skilled after all because of all their success, as evidenced by being promote…
A resposne comment says: > In business there is no cheating, there is only making money and not making money. This attitude is very common among people I know. You ask "how the world can function if everyone were to think and act like that." We muddle through, is the answer.
> > In business there is no cheating, there is only making money and not making money.
This is the attitude that turns business from being something that is for the greater benefit of all into something that more like a cancer, harmful to all.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ironic then that the real test was to see who has flexible thinking to adjust to a dynamic situation and who mindlessly follows misconstrued advice. If you really wanted to challenge yourself there's nothing stopping you from doing extra excerises outside of class. Yes, your other classmates were wrong for cheating, but you're paying the university and they can't even be bothered to update the their tests because the…
Yeah, it's sadly predictable that OP is seeing this play out in the workplace. People who cheat to get hired are also likely to scheme and manipulate their way up the corporate ladder. This happens at almost every company, every day. Interestingly it doesn't have to be this way. This is mostly due to the fact that nearly all companies use a command-and-control management structure where people are promoted by the peo…
Dahl wrote about this (which you might already know): https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520058774/a-preface-to-econ...
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#166I'm probably going to get roasted for saying this, but this is completely unsurprising to me. When I was in college, folks from India and other low trust societies would mercilessly cheat on their projects and exams, blatantly helping one another on individual works, and the college knew about it and didn't care. When I had brought this up at one point, I was told by a professor that it was a cultural difference that…
Yes because Americans never cheat to get ahead and we are all morally superior…
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#167A disappointing part of adult life is how often "just lie" is the best advice.
I don't think it's the "best advice". The problem with lies is that one lie begets another, and you end up trying to defend a whole bunch of lies that don't necessarily weave together coherently. I guess I have low appetite for risk. "Oh, what a tangled web we weave When first we practise to deceive."
The lie only has to last long enough for people to forget about it.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#168I've done a lot of screening interviews and cheating does happen. Some of my favorites: * developer attempts to pass something off as video lag, as he attempts to lip sync someone else's answer. * developer had printed all the 'common' answers on the wall behind his computer, and would look up to them for reference as we were talking. Then the tape came off and covered him in a a paper stack overflow. * the glorious…
What I don't understand is... these are pre-screening interviews at companies that get tons of applicants, right?
What happens during the actual in-person interview that follows ??
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#169If one considers Kant's categorical imperative, "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law," then also considers how they'd feel if they were go to visit a doctor who had cheated or is cheating, one certainly must draw the conclusion that cheating is indeed immoral and undesirable.
I'd rather my doctor look up an answer in a medical textbook rather than "not cheat" and allow me to die in adherence to the noble idea that only the ideas we can keep in our long-term memory are worthy.
a cheating doctor would prescribe / perform unnecessary drugs / procedures / surgeries for personal gain or out of carelessness.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#170> Oh well she isn't dumb. She did solve 75-100 problems during the course of her master's degree of 2 years. She just can't solve any question on her own
This is exactly my problem, I have solved very difficult problems at big companies, but I need time and research to understand and solve anything. I need to sleep on the problem. I need to get comfortable and release the stress when the seemingly complex problem is presented to me, otherwise I'll drown in a glass of words. Recently tried interviewing with HackerRank and the whole experience is horrible: weird multilevel scrolling, single character variables, answers must be equal character by character including blanks. I just quit those interviews.