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The Leverage of LLMs for Individuals

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Re: The Leverage of LLMs for Individuals

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

btbuildem wrote: post #46
pohl wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The beauty of abstraction, though, is that it liberates a person from needing to worry about lower-level complexities. The same should be true for LLMs. It shouldn’t need to know your entire system. Start a new thread with judiciously restricted context when you move on to the next task.

Yup. We're back to the real problems that matter in sdev -- thinking about the problem, breaking it down, scoping things. Let an LLM do the grunt-work of writing the code, sure.

I agree, but I'm worried about where that leaves junior devs - what are the entry level jobs for coders in a post-LLM future?

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Post by chpatrick »

Semaphor wrote: post #47
jstx1 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to pay for ChatGPT Plus, or sign up for their API (there’s a waitlist).

FWIW, I got API access quite quickly. Applied March 20, got access March 27. My application was only some 2 line bullshit, their example for "why do you want access" rewritten.

I applied March 16 and I'm still waiting.

Re: The Leverage of LLMs for Individuals

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Post by nielsole »

vemv wrote: post #40

There's a long gap from: I built a podcast search website to: Staying in any company right now is a negative return. We humans are too easily impressed by tricks, and are too willing to extrapolate them to fantasy land. GPT can certainly accomplish an impressive variety of small tasks. Whether it can build large-scale systems that will power tomorrow's world is uncharted territory. Can you build something meaningful,…

> If you believe it's possible, where's everyone's array of profitable, newly-founded ventures? Or at least have you automated your job away yet?

Come on now. GPT 4 is not even out for two months. API access is not yet widely available. Legal questions are preventing many conservative players from adoption. How fast do you think progress propagates?

Re: The Leverage of LLMs for Individuals

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Post by padolsey »

bulldog13 wrote: post #11

Anyone have any good examples or tutorials of specifically how to use ChatGPT for greenfield code development ?

I usually ask it to write me a nextjs app and deploy it to vercel. It gives me a few commands and files to plop in the right directories. E.g. `npx create-next-app foo; cd foo; ...; vercel --prod;`. Often I only make a couple changes then 5 mins later it can be deployed for free on vercel. Eg, it took me a couple mins to create a lil app to enable a user to drag/drop words of your sentence. I asked chatgpt (gpt-4) the following: "Write me a nextjs app (and deploy to vercel) that shows the sentence 'Anyone have any good examples or tutorials of specifically how to use ChatGPT for greenfield code development ?' but each word is draggable and re-arrangeable such that a user can drag any word to anywhere in the sentence. Add a randomize button too."

See the result here : ) https://dndexamplehn.vercel.app/

It's incredibly empowering to be able to easily spin up little proofs-of-concepts or bootstrapping larger projects. I think all the naysayers have not experienced its power yet.

Re: The Leverage of LLMs for Individuals

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Post by bronco21016 »

pugio wrote: post #41
bronco21016 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPT-4 is still limited to 25 queries/3 hours and that is likely why it took longer.

Every 3 hours. But also, if you have API access you can use the OpenAI playground to query GPT-4 as much as you want. Sure, you pay a cost (per token), but if you're willing to front the bill you can move pretty quickly.

Typo on phone, fixed it. Thanks!

Re: The Leverage of LLMs for Individuals

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Post by collaborative »

AI tools are absolutely useless once you get past any initial stage in a software development cycle

They just can't comprehend what needs to be done even if all that's required are 2 lines of code

However, we keep seeing posts from people who don't know html or how to create a chrome extension paternalizing on how we can be much more productive with AI tools. Last I heard a CEO was demanding dev increased productivity or firing some devs because he daw a Youtube video on how easy it is to create a website now

Re: The Leverage of LLMs for Individuals

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Post by collaborative »

AI tools are absolutely useless once you get past any initial stage in a software development cycle

They just can't comprehend what needs to be done even if all that's required are 2 lines of code

However, we keep seeing posts from people who don't know html or how to create a chrome extension paternalizing about how we can be much more productive with AI tools. Last I heard a CEO was demanding dev increased productivity or firing some devs because he saw a Youtube video about how easy it is to create a website now

The only usefulness I see is in AI replacing SO. Once SO dries we'll have neither

Re: The Leverage of LLMs for Individuals

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Post by idnc »

bostonsre wrote: post #33

Has anyone been able to use it to effectively build more than a green field poc? It's absolutely great for that, but it's been a little clunky when trying to iterate when the context gets too large or when trying to add stuff to am existing system.

I'm trying to (as a hobby-programmer / itsec(compliance :|) / admin / devops guy) https://github.com/idncsk/canvas (early early alpha stage)

The biggest benefit for me is I can ask it design and programming-pattern questions for my particular use-case(given A, should I split some methods of A into a separate module, should I implement B as a facade of C or maybe implement some observer pattern instead etc)

One strange thing I noticed is the degradation of "quality" of the answers some time after a new version gets released, but that may as well be just my internal drift for expectations

Re: The Leverage of LLMs for Individuals

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Post by gexla »

geek_at wrote: post #7

Learning something with GTP-4 is so much more fun than using google/Stack Overflow. It's like having a tutor that knows your code and gives you hints and solutions based on your actual project. It's a real game changer for learning

And this is what you might say while you're learning. As you gain more experience, you realize that there's a wide range of solutions with some spectrum of a fit to your situation. A given solution may fall down in certain cases. What I love you Stack Overflow, is the context which comes with it. You get replies on a given proposed solution which point out where the solution may fail.

Re: The Leverage of LLMs for Individuals

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Post by julianeon »

RivieraKid wrote: post #4

The post says there's a huge difference between GPT-4 and ChatGPT? But which version of ChatGPT?

I disagree w him about that. For a podcast search app I think ChatGPT could do every easy part of that just as well, and without any rate limit. I’d use ChatGPT for the most part unless you need to switch.
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