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Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by throwaway2990 »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #67
13of40 wrote: post #57

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Considering a couple years ago, "Apple Hardware" was an intel CPU with an nvidia GPU I've always wondered why you couldn't just throw a million dollars at them so they could stick apple stickers on your rack and let you run MacOS VMs. The company I used to work for had to do crazy gymnastics just to test software and scan for malware on their OS.

Nvidia? Which apple product had Nvidia in it?

The Nvidia fanboys are out to downvote not knowing it’s been almost 10 years since apple used Nvidia. Lol

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by krger »

scrollaway wrote: post #260
krger wrote: post #248

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I guess since your only two options are, for some reason, "Google" and "UnknownCalMailCompany Inc," Google seems to be the choice for you. Fortunately, many of the rest of us live in the real world where there are more than just those two options.

What’s your alternative? You’re not suggesting any. And yes concretely, the two options if you want cloud are either the usual suspects (ms google apple), or unproven companies.

I've used Fastmail for over 10 years now, but they may not be "proven" enough to be a True Scotsman.

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Post by knome »

ayewo wrote: post #216
tiernano wrote: post #174

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Azure does run on Windows. It's HyperV server below the rest of the hardware. It's a custom Windows install that you can't purchase, but it's Windows none the less.

That's interesting. Do you have a public source for this handy? I remember seeing an article [1] proclaiming that more than 50% of Azure's workloads are on Linux, so I'm guessing their hypervisors are running an optimised Linux kernel somewhat. 1: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23156222

Azure Devops Services is an updated version of their old Team Foundation Server stuff. You can't create projects, teams, or workitem areas/iteration paths that are any of the microsoft magic names ( con, nul, ...etc... ), presumably because they store the data on a windows drive and it would implode. git repos, too, but that's just good planning for any git service since allowing microsoft reserved names would make the repo unclonable to microsoft systems.

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Post by red_trumpet »

matwood wrote: post #261
musicale wrote: post #52

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Apple is not anti-VM. It is anti VM-on-non-Apple-hardware. ;-) Presumably they have determined that lost hardware sales would offset any increased app or service sales from allowing VMs on non-Apple hardware. Though I don't actually know what platform macOS and iOS VMs run on in GitHub Actions and Azure pipelines. Edit: apparently Azure pipelines uses Mac pros. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/pipelines…

Apple almost went out of business allowing macOS to run on non-Apple hardware. I think there are still people there who have an irrational fear from that time. From a current financial/business standpoint, Apple considers itself a hardware company that includes their custom OS with their hardware. From that angle it makes no sense to allow it to run on non-Apple hardware. Sort of like Sony being ok with the PS OS run…

But it also makes no sense to forbid it. If Apple were a hardware company, letting people use their software on other devices wouldn't cut their baseline. After all, people buy Apple because of the hardware, right?

Apparently not, and because they subsidise the software using hardware sales, they don't want to decouple the two.

The Sony/PS situation is exactly the opposite: Sony subsidizes hardware using software (games) sales. Which is why they don't allow you to use different software on a PS.

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Post by [deleted] »

Findecanor wrote: post #210
phire wrote: post #85

Before anyone jumps to conclusions, all this ruling means is that this example of an iOS virtual machine (for the purpose of security research) counts as fair use. It doesn't exactly open the doors for everyone to run iOS in virtual machines.

There has been at least one massive exploit that involved malware cloning Android phones to run a banking app in virtual machines on a server. Perhaps Apple just wants to prevent something similar happening with iOS. (I edited this post, because I don't want to give any criminals reading this too many details.)

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Post by LegNeato »

okamiueru wrote: post #179

What I want to do is not have to have a unified build system for multiple platforms and ABIs without any problem, but for some reason, to target anything apple, I have to use a physical apple machine. It's absolutely abusing market position, because it ends up being that in my profession, you end up purchasing mac computers for the whole office, because then you can target all platforms without any fuss. Not because…

Facebook has this for builds as well for runtime (osmeta).

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Post by Fuzzeh »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #251
Fuzzeh wrote: post #203

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My Mid 2014, 15" Macbook Pro has both Intel and Nvidia. Chipset Model: Intel Iris Pro Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M This Macbook pro was a free upgrade from Apple after I'd had 3 mainboard replacements because they'd had faulty GPU's on my 2011 MBP ( see https://web.archive.org/web/20170119031155/https://people.ca... for background) - Basically after I found out what was going on I took my 'repaired' machine…

So more than “a couple of years ago” Cos been almost 10 years since apple ditched Nvidia.

I have no idea when they last used nvidia. I'm just answering the question "Which apple product had Nvidia in it"

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Post by ohgodplsno »

thekevan wrote: post #151
ftyhbhyjnjk wrote: post #144

Good good. Apple has been abusing their dominant position for far too long. If it's my hardware, I'll do whatever tf I want. Apple can't do shit.

They weren't trying to tell you what to do with your machine, they were trying to tell you what you were not allowed to do with THEIR software.

Their software is no longer their software the moment it touches my machine. My bytes, my stuff. You can delude yourself into thinking "but licenses and EULAs say you can't", but the best Apple can do is beg that I don't, and make my life hard for me to do so.

Which is extremely telling of how little consideration they have for their users.

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Post by windowsrookie »

poulpy123 wrote: post #250
kaba0 wrote: post #219

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They have a very good price-to-value ratio, especially when you account for their high resale value, so that's not really a good reason to avoid apple. It is simply unbeatable on the laptop market currently, imo.

I was more thinking to the iphone (I don't have laptop). You can't find a cheap new iphone, and even the cheapest iphone is more than I would put in a phone myself. It's true that now high end android phones are as expensive than high end iphones, so on this point of view it's not a criteria

I purchased two brand new iPhone SE's for $100 each around black Friday from Straight Talk. Required one month of prepaid service and then they were unlocked, I used them down in South America.

The iPhone SE is better than any comparable Android phone and will receive updates for another 5 years.

So "You can't find a cheap new iPhone" is not true. If you're willing to take 1 extra step and get a month of prepaid service you can get a cheap iPhone.

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Post by Mad_ad »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #167
musicale wrote: post #52

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Apple is not anti-VM. It is anti VM-on-non-Apple-hardware. ;-) Presumably they have determined that lost hardware sales would offset any increased app or service sales from allowing VMs on non-Apple hardware. Though I don't actually know what platform macOS and iOS VMs run on in GitHub Actions and Azure pipelines. Edit: apparently Azure pipelines uses Mac pros. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/pipelines…

> Apple is not anti-VM. It is anti VM-on-non-Apple-hardware. ;-) Do you mean they allow VMs on iPads already?

works okayish on iPad Pro https://getutm.app/
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