This being of course exactly the mindset the current mainstream interview process was designed to create. As a feature, not a bug.
My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#12Your friends did whatever was needed to pass the interview. You did not.
How is it surprising that they're the ones getting raises? Clearly they're willing to risk more than you are for the reward.
Only getting caught cheating guarantees loss.
Playing fair does not guarantee winning.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#13A disappointing part of adult life is how often "just lie" is the best advice.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#14I do think this is an even bigger indictment of the interview process. If they're actually more competent in the role and not getting PIP'd and getting promotions, it means the interview was worthless to start, it would filter out a good candidate and pass a candidate who may only know how to do toy problems without any engineering skill.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#15TBF I don't think this is bad. The "cheating" involved seems a closer match to the actual real world conditions of the doing the job than the artificial "no internet allowed" assessment. If the candidates can get stuff done but need the internet as a reference, that's still getting stuff done. Not surprising that they are now getting promoted given they can not only get stuff done, but were resourceful enough to find…
The goal of interviews and assignments is not to achieve an outcome but to assess someone’s abilities. Henceforth, cheating cannot be justified.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#16I don’t disagree with the main points here. It is interesting that the form of cheating would be defeated with in person interviews / testing. I do wonder if you cheat your way into Amazon wouldn’t you get caught being bad on the job after you are hired? Or are we talking about people who are generally qualified but look better than others because they cheated?
"Or are we talking about people who are generally qualified but look better than others because they cheated?"
Bingo. The cheaters will get the job because they will look better than similarly qualified candidates.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#17I don’t disagree with the main points here. It is interesting that the form of cheating would be defeated with in person interviews / testing. I do wonder if you cheat your way into Amazon wouldn’t you get caught being bad on the job after you are hired? Or are we talking about people who are generally qualified but look better than others because they cheated?
I think the issue is the interview process, because clearly the difficulty of the interview does not match the difficulty of the job.
Sure, they cheated to get in, but then once in they found out it wasn't that hard to stay and get promoted.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#18TBF I don't think this is bad. The "cheating" involved seems a closer match to the actual real world conditions of the doing the job than the artificial "no internet allowed" assessment. If the candidates can get stuff done but need the internet as a reference, that's still getting stuff done. Not surprising that they are now getting promoted given they can not only get stuff done, but were resourceful enough to find…
Technically, it would be better if everybody had internet access.
BUT, it means that Amazon creating a selection pressure for people who cheat. Long term this will be corrosive to the organizational fiber of the corporation as idiotic unrealistic leetcode questions are to the technical fiber.
Amazon has become way buggier for me over the last few years and so has Google. I think this is intimately connected to their organizational dysfunctions.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#19TBF I don't think this is bad. The "cheating" involved seems a closer match to the actual real world conditions of the doing the job than the artificial "no internet allowed" assessment. If the candidates can get stuff done but need the internet as a reference, that's still getting stuff done. Not surprising that they are now getting promoted given they can not only get stuff done, but were resourceful enough to find…
Get stuff done but not exactly meet all of the requirements.
So maybe features will get implemented but rules and laws not necessarily respected.
And perhaps that’s useful for some companies.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#20Yes, it's fundamentally unfair to those interviewees who don't cheat. And the process is broken. However, the conclusion this person reaches - we must conduct these broken interviews in person so the cheaters can't cheat - is the wrong one. Look at it from the point of view of the hiring company now, not the interviewer. They got a person who was good enough (based on the merits of their actual work, not interview pe…
Isn't there an alternative interpretation, that the internal evaluation process is just as broken as the hiring process?
Correct. You have unethical people now, you are probably “cheating” at work by taking credit for ideas not theirs.