My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#2Yes, it's fundamentally unfair to those interviewees who don't cheat. And the process is broken. However, the conclusion this person reaches - we must conduct these broken interviews in person so the cheaters can't cheat - is the wrong one.
Look at it from the point of view of the hiring company now, not the interviewer. They got a person who was good enough (based on the merits of their actual work, not interview performance) to subsequently get promoted. So, hiring mission accomplished, end of story. They may not have found the very best person for the job (very subjective and unknowable anyway), but if the process didn't result in an under-performer taking the job, the process did not fail. And, importantly, there's no reason whatsoever to think that if no cheating was allowed and a different person took the job, that they would on average be any better.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#3TBF I don't think this is bad. The "cheating" involved seems a closer match to the actual real world conditions of the doing the job than the artificial "no internet allowed" assessment. If the candidates can get stuff done but need the internet as a reference, that's still getting stuff done. Not surprising that they are now getting promoted given they can not only get stuff done, but were resourceful enough to find a method to "cheat" and also pull it off successfully whilst being monitored.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#4I grew up staunchly against cheating. Becoming an adult was hard. My whole university class cheated on a tough assignment - someone found the solution online and shared it around. I didn't look at it, took the challenge and gave it a lot of effort. I got a pretty bad mark and the rest of the class got top marks.
I also see the same mindset in work. People don't prepare for presentations and then spitball when presenting it. It's not "cheating" but it's skipping the effort and preparation in the same way.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#5I grew up staunchly against cheating. Becoming an adult was hard. My whole university class cheated on a tough assignment - someone found the solution online and shared it around. I didn't look at it, took the challenge and gave it a lot of effort. I got a pretty bad mark and the rest of the class got top marks. I also see the same mindset in work. People don't prepare for presentations and then spitball when present…
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Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#7I don’t disagree with the main points here.
It is interesting that the form of cheating would be defeated with in person interviews / testing.
I do wonder if you cheat your way into Amazon wouldn’t you get caught being bad on the job after you are hired?
Or are we talking about people who are generally qualified but look better than others because they cheated?
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#8I'll make the obvious point that these interviews were not good predictors of success at the companies.
In general, I've found in 15 years of interviews that interviews are not highly correlated with the work at any given company. I wish we would move beyond cargo cult interview styles and base interviews (and screening, for that matter) on the actual work and culture of each company.
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#9Yes, it's fundamentally unfair to those interviewees who don't cheat. And the process is broken. However, the conclusion this person reaches - we must conduct these broken interviews in person so the cheaters can't cheat - is the wrong one. Look at it from the point of view of the hiring company now, not the interviewer. They got a person who was good enough (based on the merits of their actual work, not interview pe…
Isn't there an alternative interpretation, that the internal evaluation process is just as broken as the hiring process?
Re: My friends who cheated in interviews are getting promoted (2022)
#10There is no such thing as "cheating" once you're out of school and the sooner new grads realize that the better off they will be. The real world is very much "fake it till you make it", "do whatever is necessary" because we're all just trying to make money to live and retire.