Really great to see these products on iPad, and with a relatively low price.
I wonder whether we’ll ever see them reboot Aperture, even iPad only. Much as I like Lightroom Cloud, I‘d love to see Apple take it on.
Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad
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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad
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> while _actual_ creative professionals will more than willingly pay $5/mo and love every minute of it. I doubt that: https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/30/23662000/waves-audio-engi... > Music producers revolted against an app’s subscription scheme — and won Actual Music producers hate subscription schemes.
Yes and Photoshop users revolted against subscriptions. How long did that last?
I guess there isn't really a good alternative to Photoshop, so in the end everyone had to accept the subscription model.
There are at least 10 viable DAWs on Mac, so people can move away if necessary and go to Cubase, Live, or something else.
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The other two ways I've seen are committing to lifetime bugfixes but maintaining a feature lock based on last license renewal or releasing a separate app per release. The first is actually a different model but if you're alright with it from the developer side then it's very similar from the user's perspective. The second is either different or the same depending on how it's implemented. 2a is commit to upgrading the…
I think there is yet another option we both didn't state, but an option that is also in use to this day. Some apps simply have multiple entries in the current AppStore model, and the version you currently have is very much separate from a possible 'future' upgrade. I'm not sure how they handle major upgrades on the back-end (perhaps tied to an in-app purchase or transferable purchase based on some sort of online acco…
That's the most common way I've seen 2a/2b done, otherwise you have no way to release new versions at all.
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Kids aren't creating on iPads though. The only tools needed are TikTok/Snapchat + filters. Beyond that, it starts to feel like work . YouTubers making 'long form' video (> 5 mins) also aren't going to buy an iPad when their computer does the job just fine. And even then, Mac owners don't necessarily use Final Cut; Adobe Premiere and Davinci Resolve are enormously popular.
You are ignoring how big capcut is
if you're pro enough to want to improve your quality (my 500k follower friend still uses capcut while living off of brand deals but in the future I could see her wanting to upgrade / hire an editor) then why would you use a tablet based editor rather than just a laptop with a real editing program?
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I highly suspect Apple (like all these companies, Adobe first and foremost) merely consider the elasticity of demand when they force their customers to the subscription model. They also factor in heavily the securing of recurring income to impress their shareholders. The needs or desires of customers are never considered. Just whether enough of them suckers would yield to a subscription model.
Of course they think about their profits and shareholders. But nobody is forced to get the software, they can go with a competitor or use Garage Band - for free. If you think somebody is a sucker for getting software as a subscription, then you are very unimaginative as to what are the needs and wants of other people. Many people are going to think it's great. Those who hate it can still buy Logic for their laptop fo…
>Of course they think about their profits and shareholders. But nobody is forced to get the software
Yes, nobody is threatened with death if they don't comply. I'll give you that.
For many pro users, with project files in that software, compatible hardware, accustomed to workflows, a studio setup based on it, etc, "just go to other software or use Garageband which is free" is as good as forcing.
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> abilities of iPad and USB-C I use iPad with RME ADI DAC-2 and I can't think of a single issue.
> I use iPad with RME ADI DAC-2 and I can't think of a single issue. I hope I missed a joke. That is a high end DAC that retails for $1300, and could very well be the best DAC available for less $1500. That'll do nicely. I'd prefer Lavry Engineering's discontinued DA11 (and AD11), but it's somewhat of a judgement call at that level.
There's nothing special in RME regarding its USB operation.
iPad can emit material with different sampling rate (haven't verified different bit depth, but I guess, there should be no issues), iPad also knows not to meddle with the software mixing and delegates everything to the DAC. It behaves exactly as I'd like it to behave.
No joke intended. My point was, that if iPad has no issues with this device, then it must be able to drive any other USB Audio Class interface.
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Just feels like apple has to much going for them: - access to custom silicon and potentially display technology ahead of what is available to competitors - huge amount of money and resources to throw at this (buying up supply chain for key components etc) - initial devices being iPhone / iPad / Mac accessories will give them a route to market & access to developers I just don’t see how anyone else gets a look in.
You do make some very good points. We all thought Intel were going to dominate ten years ago though and they managed to fuck it so it’s not unprecedented. Apple do seem to be a lot better managed though. I think there’ll be more clarity after the headset reveal next month.
I don’t think it was quite so clear on intel 10yrs ago, hard to believe but Apple introduced the 64 bit A7 in 2013, for me that was the point of no recovery for intel (without major changes like we are seeing since Gelsinger returned). The path to apple silicon was clear then it was just a matter of timing, intel had no cohesive strategy for mobile…
Apple has a long history with the majority of it spent as the underdog, so I think they are less likely to be usurped… in the next few decades they could get to the point where no senior management where there in the dark days and then it all goes to hell, but I think they’ve cemented themselves pretty well into position…
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Do you have any insight on why bigger companies like Arturia don’t bring more of their VSTs and plugins to iOS? I’m a hobbyist music maker and I vastly prefer AUM on my iPad to working in GarageBand (logic is far beyond my needs). I just want more of the desktop plugin ecosystem to trickle down.
I can only guess but it can be a daunting prospect to get things portable. Could be their DAW abstraction or their graphics framework that causes them massive work. And let’s get real here. It’s not exactly a lucrative market. We charge much less on iOS than we do on desktop for several reasons (among them no method for resale). Yet when we launched on iOS people were shocked at our high prices (we’re not making yet…
Fellow audio developer here. Yes, the iOS market is rubbish. I spoke to some DAW companies, and they all said they sell their iOS apps at a loss - they don't cover the costs of developing them. It only makes sense when you think of iOS apps as a promotion to sell their desktop counterparts.
Which is a shame because I think the iPhone is a beautiful device for musicians. A fantastic microphone, right in your pocket.
Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad
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> I use iPad with RME ADI DAC-2 and I can't think of a single issue. I hope I missed a joke. That is a high end DAC that retails for $1300, and could very well be the best DAC available for less $1500. That'll do nicely. I'd prefer Lavry Engineering's discontinued DA11 (and AD11), but it's somewhat of a judgement call at that level.
There's nothing special in RME regarding its USB operation. iPad can emit material with different sampling rate (haven't verified different bit depth, but I guess, there should be no issues), iPad also knows not to meddle with the software mixing and delegates everything to the DAC. It behaves exactly as I'd like it to behave. No joke intended. My point was, that if iPad has no issues with this device, then it must b…
> There's nothing special in RME regarding its USB operation.
It's USB Audio that is special.
> iPad can emit material with different sampling rate (haven't verified different bit depth, but I guess, there should be no issues),
Core Audio is a component of iPadOS and iOS, and along with Core Audio comes everything Core Audio can do.
> iPad also knows not to meddle with the software mixing
Is there an example or anecdote you have in mind of a platform meddling with mixing?
> and delegates everything to the DAC.
It's really USB Audio that is performing these miracles.
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As a long time electronic music producer, I make sure once installed my primary software is never updated as a rule[0]. My flow doesn’t make bouncing everything to audio feasible and there is nothing worse than opening a project you have worked on for a few months to find that it sounds… different. Counter-intuitively, learning to predict and deal with crashes and working around known bugs on the fly is way easier th…
Agree. What's your primary DAW? Ableton here.
Ableton on an old machine, Bitwig on a new machine. Got burned with Bitwig minor version update changing my sound, thankfully they keep links to older versions! I guess they know this may be an issue.