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Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

#151

Good good. Apple has been abusing their dominant position for far too long. If it's my hardware, I'll do whatever tf I want. Apple can't do shit.

They weren't trying to tell you what to do with your machine, they were trying to tell you what you were not allowed to do with THEIR software.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

#152

Good good. Apple has been abusing their dominant position for far too long. If it's my hardware, I'll do whatever tf I want. Apple can't do shit.

They weren't trying to tell you what to do with your machine, they were trying to tell you what you were not allowed to do with THEIR software.

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

#153

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Apple makes it pretty annoying to run VMs on Apple hardware too. Their license agreement has restrictions in it that are kind of unfortunate.

Why are people so hung up on the licence agreement? VMs run fine all on all sorts of hardware, Mac’s, Nucs, NASs, actual servers etc. I often see posted that using VMs violates the agreement, has someone been sued or something?

The post is literally about someone getting sued for providing this very service. Are you missing a /s?

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

#154

Good good. Apple has been abusing their dominant position for far too long. If it's my hardware, I'll do whatever tf I want. Apple can't do shit.

They weren't trying to tell you what to do with your machine, they were trying to tell you what you were not allowed to do with THEIR software.

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

#155

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This shit is why I use Google products on my iphone: gmail, calendar (with reminders), contacts, etc. (Paid version at that: I pay for google workspace, even for personal use) I'm not locked in to the Apple ecosystem: I can use it on my Linux desktop, or switch to an Android phone at any time.

Is that a solution, or an additional poison?

Why would it be an additional poison?

It's solving problems in my life. I have a calendar, it's synced across all my devices, I have no fear of lock-in, and I have full control over my data without fearing about my account getting locked (as I pay for Workspace). Same for email, same for contacts.

What's the poison there?

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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"contracts" is civil law. to be illegal it would have to be criminal law. defamation is legal. it's a tort, you can get sued for it and lose. in civil court. there is contract law, but breaking contract law is not illegal. a tort for example, is a tort, not a crime.

Criminal law isn't the only law, so not the only source of illegality.

I am sorry to have to say this, as it detracts from discussion. you really need to read the full text of things to which you are replying, before replying. you are wrong, and your exact point was already explained. yes - criminal law is the only source of illegality. that is literally the definition of the word.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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> Now I'd like to be able to legally run MacOS on a virtual machine or on AWS or Azure or Google Cloud or something Azure Pipelines supports macOS 11 and 12. GitHub Actions supports macOS 11, 12, and 13 beta.

They cost a shit ton though because they have to run on mac mini AFAIK. It would most likely be way cheaper if there were to run on commodity hardware.

I have never paid for Azure Pipelines, but they do offer just Intel :(

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

#158

Good good. Apple has been abusing their dominant position for far too long. If it's my hardware, I'll do whatever tf I want. Apple can't do shit.

They weren't trying to tell you what to do with your machine, they were trying to tell you what you were not allowed to do with THEIR software.

This reminds me of when Apple tried to make it so that you can't own an iPhone, only lease it. The effort might be still ongoing, I'm not up to date. A few different turns in history and your sentence would have been "THEIR machine" and "THEIR software".

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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There’s more to a mac than the sticker. It’s specific hardware that is tested and supported by the software. That’s worth a premium. Verifying your rack is a cost Apple doesn’t want to take on. iCloud doesn’t run on MacOS. It runs on Linux. Just buy the right hardware for the job.

Does Apple dogfood their OS X/iOS CI pipelines, i.e. are they running them on some off-the-shelf Macs like they expect everyone else to do? I remember reading that at least in the past they were running virtualized OS X on regular servers for those (actually found following: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18117885 ). And it's not like Apple would need to verify anything. They can grant the license, but say that…

Azure doesn't run on Windows. Why would iCloud run on MacOS? There's exactly one organization in the world that needs to run iCloud, why would MacOS target that use case? I doubt Apple eats their own dogfood.
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