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Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Post by shjake »

CapstanRoller wrote: post #209
rajin444 wrote: post #197

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It might be the outcome of racist policies or general racist attitudes but they are statistically correct.

There is a high correlation between between ethnic or racial makeup of a certain area and crime and gun violence. I’m not sure simply handwaving this by calling everyone who points that out a ‘racist’ is the most productive attitude…

Generally the same applies to poverty though which is probably a more direct indicator than race.

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Post by shjake »

ESTheComposer wrote: post #213
CapstanRoller wrote: post #190

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Shooting isn't the only form of repression. It's not even the most prominent or insidious form. There's a big difference between murder and a hate crime . Cop violence isn't counted in murder stats, by the way, because it's "lawful" and they're effectively above the law.

In 2020 California had more hate crime than Texas: https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crim... Edit: Actually I checked 2017-2020 and every year had way more hate crimes than Texas. CA has ~33% more population, but had triple the hate crimes. In 2021 CA somehow dropped from thousand+ hate crimes to like 40, so I'm guessing something is up with the data there.

> In 2020 California had more hate crime than Texas

Well there were significantly more cases of rape reported in Sweden than in most African or South Asian countries (and I mean up to 40 times more or so…). Something similar might be at play here.

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Post by nervlord »

mattcaldwell wrote: post #199
slg wrote: post #127

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Maybe, but is anything I said inaccurate? Try telling a trans person that the local political environment shouldn't impact their decision on where to live. Your best case scenario is an eye roll. Only certain people are given the freedom to ignore politics.

Trans woman here, can confirm eye roll.

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Post by lukemercado »

sagarm wrote: post #184
pessimizer wrote: post #94

Office space in downtown SF must be free right now based on what I've been told about supply and demand from SF YIMBYS.

Yeah, a building just sold at a >60% discount vs 2020. What of it?

Did the 350 california sale go through? I thought it was just an offer?

Just googled it, and shit, it did: https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/350-california-sf-offic... Holy hell. Now to find out if they land bank it or blow it up.

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Post by dumbotron »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #8

I live in SF and spend a fair amount of time thinking about its poor 5-year economic outlook. It's not great, but I am curious how it compares to other metros? If I were to move from SF, wanted to live in a metro area, and was uncomfortable living in a very red state - where should I consider? Where is thriving? I have a good amount of friends in Portland, but Portland is adjacent SF in terms of poor economic recover…

I saw this today. It looks at mass transit funding in big metros. Mass transit is interesting because it's a proxy for downtown health.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-09/us-public...

The outlook isn't good, and the shortfalls mean there will likely be service cuts, driving people away from city centers even more. SF will probably be worse off because of how poorly it's handled homelessness, theft, and drug use.

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Post by mustacheemperor »

woodruffw wrote: post #128
tempsy wrote: post #120

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You're still exaggerating. Streeteasy says median for Bushwick is $3200. Zumper has it at $2850 for a 1 bedroom https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/new-york-ny/bushwick Yes, it's possible to rent for cheaper in the outer boroughs hence why I specifically said central and convenient. If something is $1800 it's because it's a dump or a tiny studio. It's not a normal amount rent someone is paying at all for their own p…

I don't know what to tell you: I pay about $1600 for my part of a three bedroom, which is two bedrooms to myself (one is my office), a private back yard, a front patio, and a furnished basement. I don't think I got a particularly good deal on it either, from talking to my neighbors and friends. It's not "luxury," but it definitely isn't a dump either -- from seeing other units in the neighborhood, it's probably stric…

I read that whole exchange eager to learn the secret of an affordable one bedroom apartment in New York and the secret is rent part of a place with roommates. I can only chuckle.

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Post by dumbotron »

bityard wrote: post #78
SeanAnderson wrote: post #8

I live in SF and spend a fair amount of time thinking about its poor 5-year economic outlook. It's not great, but I am curious how it compares to other metros? If I were to move from SF, wanted to live in a metro area, and was uncomfortable living in a very red state - where should I consider? Where is thriving? I have a good amount of friends in Portland, but Portland is adjacent SF in terms of poor economic recover…

Personal politics, IMO, is not a good reason to avoid living in certain areas. I'm a liberal-leaning moderate but many of my favorite people (friends and family) are conservative, and many of my hobbies tend to be populated mainly by the conservative demographic. You'll always find people here and there who won't give you the time of day if you're not on Team Blue or Team Red, but my take on it is, if I can't make fr…

> No area is thriving right now thanks to the recession

We're not really in a recession. Tech was probably in a recession in 2022, but Google and Meta both had good earnings reports, so maybe we're through that. Finance is having its own issues. Everyone else is a little nervous, but doing ok, except for inflation.

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Post by woodruffw »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #226
woodruffw wrote: post #128

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I don't know what to tell you: I pay about $1600 for my part of a three bedroom, which is two bedrooms to myself (one is my office), a private back yard, a front patio, and a furnished basement. I don't think I got a particularly good deal on it either, from talking to my neighbors and friends. It's not "luxury," but it definitely isn't a dump either -- from seeing other units in the neighborhood, it's probably stric…

I read that whole exchange eager to learn the secret of an affordable one bedroom apartment in New York and the secret is rent part of a place with roommates. I can only chuckle.

Having a roommate is my choice; you can confirm the number ranges I gave for studios and 1BRs in those neighborhoods on most sites.

I’ve never paid more than $2,000/mo in rent in NYC, and that was a 1BR in Manhattan in 2018.

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Post by mustacheemperor »

woodruffw wrote: post #228
mustacheemperor wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read that whole exchange eager to learn the secret of an affordable one bedroom apartment in New York and the secret is rent part of a place with roommates. I can only chuckle.

Having a roommate is my choice; you can confirm the number ranges I gave for studios and 1BRs in those neighborhoods on most sites. I’ve never paid more than $2,000/mo in rent in NYC, and that was a 1BR in Manhattan in 2018.

I don’t mean to denigrate the decision to live with roommates, I have for plenty of my life and may well again - I just wish NYC wasn’t so expensive!

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Post by woodruffw »

tempsy wrote: post #137
woodruffw wrote: post #128

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I don't know what to tell you: I pay about $1600 for my part of a three bedroom, which is two bedrooms to myself (one is my office), a private back yard, a front patio, and a furnished basement. I don't think I got a particularly good deal on it either, from talking to my neighbors and friends. It's not "luxury," but it definitely isn't a dump either -- from seeing other units in the neighborhood, it's probably stric…

I'm talking about what it would cost an individual to live in their own 1 bedroom in a central and convenient area not a shared apartment with roommates.

I just checked, and the last 1BR I lived in (Manhattan, in a very central and convenient neighborhood) was leased for $2250/mo this year.
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