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If you spent any time with GPT-4 it should be evident.
If you spent even more time with GPT-4 it would be evident that it is definitely not. Especially if you try to use it as some kind of autonomous agent.
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Language models can explain neurons in language models
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There is no evidence that intelligence runs on neurons. Yes, there are neurons in brains, but there's also lots of other stuff in there too. And there are creatures that exhibit intelligent properties even though they have hardly any neurons at all. (An individual ant has only something like 250000 neurons, and yet they're the only creatures beside humans that managed to create a civilization.)
If you really want to present ants as a civilization, I don't think a single ant is a meaningful unit of that civilization comparable to a single human. A colony, perhaps - but then that's a lot more neurons, just distributed.
A single human will die permanently, alone, miserable, and unproductive. The comparison is apt.
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Funny that we never quite understood how intelligence worked and yet it appears that we're pretty damn close to recreating it - still without knowing how it works. I wonder how often this happens in the universe...
Starting a fire is easy to do even if you don't know how it works.
Appropriate analogy in more ways than one. Particularly given the unpredictable consequences of doing so.
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#276Matrices, all the way down
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I'll repost a comment via Reddit that I think makes this case [0]: Ants have developed architecture, with plumbing, ventilation, nurseries for rearing the young, and paved thoroughfares. Ants practice agriculture, including animal husbandry. Ants have social stratification that differs from but is comparable to that of human cultures, with division of labor into worker, soldier, and other specialties that do not have…
To be honest, this description is leaning heavily on the associations we have with individual words used. Ant "architecture" isn't like our architecture. Ant "plumbing" and "ventilation" have little in common with the kind of plumbing and ventilation we use in buildings. "Nurseries", "rearing the young", that's just stretching the analogy to the point of breaking. "Agriculture", "animal husbandry" - I don't even know…
> "Agriculture", "animal husbandry" - I don't even know how to comment on that.
To give some examples of ant agriculture and animal husbandry, they cut and feed leaves to a fungus they farm for food. The fungus even communicates to the ants to switch to a different plant when the plant produces toxins in defense to cutting.
Ants herd aphids, protecting them from predators (ladybugs), secrete pheromones that direct and pacify them, and massage their abdomens to milk sugar dew.
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You can actually hypothesize that a soul exists and that intelligence is non-material, its just that your tests would quickly disprove that hypothesis - crude physical, mechanical modifications to the brain cause changes to intellect and character. If your hypothesis was correct you would not expect to see changes like that at all. Some people think that neurons specifically aren't necessary for understanding intelli…
I’m here playing devil’s advocate - this test doesn’t work. Here are some related thought experiments. Suppose a soul is an immaterial source of intelligence, but it controls the body via machine-like material hardware such as neurons. Or an alternative, suppose there is a soul inside your body “watching” the sensory activations within your brain like a movie. The brain and body create the movie & have some intellige…
Its fine if you are playing or supposing in seriousness but with good humor, it doesn't really change how anyone else should interact with you :)
But yes, supposing that then you would expect to only see damages that correspond such as different forms of paralysis or other purely mechanical damages, not things that change the interior perspective.
Otherwise you start postulating the existence of a thing whose sole justification is your desire for the existence of that thing, which is natural when you start questioning beliefs and kick out all the supports without meaning to.
I think this is what Bertrand Russel's teapot was meant to ellucidate.
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> that we're pretty damn close to recreating it Is that evident already or are we fitting the definition of intelligence without being aware?
If you spent any time with GPT-4 it should be evident.
Its vast limitations in anything reasoning-based are indeed evident.