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Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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I'd love to make use of the power of the M2 chip in my ipad and run VM's on it. Shame apple won't let us.

Apple's M2 even supports nested hardware virtualization!

If Apple is worried about cannibalizing MacBook sales, they could market-segment virtualization to the high priced iPad Pro 1TB model with 16GB RAM, which is also scheduled to receive an exclusive OLED screen alongside M3 in 2024.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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> Everything I find says that to be illegal, something must be against the law. A breach of contract is against, and has remedies provided under, the law of contracts.. > A contract is not law No, but the law of contracts is law.

Those remedies are against the parties breaching the contract. It’s a small hair to split, but relevant given the point being made. contract law is the body of precedent and collective set of laws related to the legality, construction, execution and all around use of contracts, and while I’m sure there are some specific extra laws that make breach of certain types of contracts a misdemeanour or felony. Generally spea…

> Those remedies are against the parties breaching the contract.

Yes, remedies in the law are invariably against the party breaking the law, not the people complying with the law. What would be the point of sanctions for not breaking the law?

> while I’m sure there are some specific extra laws that make breach of certain types of contracts a misdemeanour or felony. Generally speaking in most jurisdictions around the world in fact, breach of contract is a civil law matter between the parties of the contract

So, what I just said that breach of contract is a violation of the law for which there are sanctions available, but not in and of itself criminal. That was a…very argumentative agreement.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

#63

It's funny how the 30% tax and App Store nonsense automatically makes me want Apple to lose every single court case in perpetuity. Having such a monopoly on a device you purchase really means the legal system needs to take you down a notch.

> 30% tax and App Store nonsense automatically makes me want Apple to lose every single court case in perpetuity

We can only hope that alternative app stores on iOS will force Apple to match Google Play's 30% platform fees:

https://techcrunch.com/2021/03/16/google-play-drops-commissi...

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Those remedies are against the parties breaching the contract. It’s a small hair to split, but relevant given the point being made. contract law is the body of precedent and collective set of laws related to the legality, construction, execution and all around use of contracts, and while I’m sure there are some specific extra laws that make breach of certain types of contracts a misdemeanour or felony. Generally spea…

> Those remedies are against the parties breaching the contract. Yes, remedies in the law are invariably against the party breaking the law, not the people complying with the law. What would be the point of sanctions for not breaking the law? > while I’m sure there are some specific extra laws that make breach of certain types of contracts a misdemeanour or felony. Generally speaking in most jurisdictions around the…

Well so it is… I misunderstood your viewpoint since it was put so succinctly. With the added context of your reply, I see what you meant and yeah… I was quite argumentative in my agreement, fortunately it was an argument for the same view and you decided to kindly reply and point it out. :-)

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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post #49

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I can't find anything online to support that. Everything I find says that to be illegal, something must be against the law, and that a contract is not law, so the word "illegal" doesn't apply to breach of contract because it's private. There is a difference between illegality and criminality however -- e.g. breaking the speed limit is illegal but it doesn't reach criminal, as one source uses as an example.

Actually, speeding is criminal in many states.

Are traffic infractions criminal? Violating some traffic laws can be a misdemeanor or felony while most are infractions. I don’t know if infraction is considered “criminal”.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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Can someone remind me why Apple is so anti-VM in seemingly every instance? It just seems so arbitrary and unhelpful, and I have a hard time imagining that the amount of hardware purchased it forces outweigh the benefits from making macOS/iOS better platforms for development and computation. It just seems like such an odd stance to take.

Best guess?

They don’t charge for their OS because it is attached to their hardware.

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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post #57

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Apple is not anti-VM. It is anti VM-on-non-Apple-hardware. ;-) Presumably they have determined that lost hardware sales would offset any increased app or service sales from allowing VMs on non-Apple hardware. Though I don't actually know what platform macOS and iOS VMs run on in GitHub Actions and Azure pipelines. Edit: apparently Azure pipelines uses Mac pros. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/pipelines…

Considering a couple years ago, "Apple Hardware" was an intel CPU with an nvidia GPU I've always wondered why you couldn't just throw a million dollars at them so they could stick apple stickers on your rack and let you run MacOS VMs. The company I used to work for had to do crazy gymnastics just to test software and scan for malware on their OS.

Nvidia? Which apple product had Nvidia in it?

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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post #57

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Considering a couple years ago, "Apple Hardware" was an intel CPU with an nvidia GPU I've always wondered why you couldn't just throw a million dollars at them so they could stick apple stickers on your rack and let you run MacOS VMs. The company I used to work for had to do crazy gymnastics just to test software and scan for malware on their OS.

Nvidia? Which apple product had Nvidia in it?

MacBook pros did for awhile until they leaked some detail about an upcoming product and Apple switched vendors.

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I would be extremely surprised if Valve attempted to block Epic from doing that.

Really? They specifically don't allow distribution of anything but games, which would preclude a storefront, presumably.

Steam has an entire top-level category in the store for software.

https://store.steampowered.com/software

Re: Apple just lost its lawsuit trying to ban iOS virtual machines

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I can't find anything online to support that. Everything I find says that to be illegal, something must be against the law, and that a contract is not law, so the word "illegal" doesn't apply to breach of contract because it's private. There is a difference between illegality and criminality however -- e.g. breaking the speed limit is illegal but it doesn't reach criminal, as one source uses as an example.

> Everything I find says that to be illegal, something must be against the law. A breach of contract is against, and has remedies provided under, the law of contracts.. > A contract is not law No, but the law of contracts is law.

Actually no, because contracts are enforceable as long as they don't go against the law, there's a limitation for a contract and contracts cannot be penally prosecuted
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