Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

netblocks.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 437 posts

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

#61

Post by hackernewds »

n_t wrote: post #33
anaganisk wrote: post #21

Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

[flagged]

Ironic that a post claiming Pakistani hostility to India is posted unprovoked, on an unrelated post, as supposed proof of it

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

#62

Post by mlyle »

lazide wrote: post #42
Dalewyn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally speaking, any kind of radio transmission is detectable. It's why radio silence is a thing when stealth is important.

The tricky thing is that receiving radio transmissions is also usually detectable - and a transceiver has to, by it's nature, transmit. [ https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5699393 ]

> The tricky thing is that receiving radio transmissions is also usually detectable

A LNB is pretty quiet to begin with... and the LO is on the same frequency whether you're watching satellite TV or tapping into Othernet. You could, of course, make it much quieter still. Just because a lot of receivers leak a lot of oscillator and mixer frequencies doesn't mean it's intrinsic.

> and a transceiver has to, by it's nature, transmit.

Which is why I was talking about a receive-only approach. (Well, also for reasons of scalability).

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

#63

Post by hackernewds »

skeaker wrote: post #6

I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

Starlink

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

#64

Post by umeshunni »

wanderlust123 wrote: post #51
alephnerd wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of Pakistani journalists publish in Indian newspapers due to censorship in Pakistan. Just about every English language Indian newspaper has a column published by senior Pakistani journalists and press offices in every major city in Pakistan. There's a very healthy cross-border journalism ecosystem in South Asia.

You need to look a bit deeper. Dawn journalists are not bastions of journalistic integrity. They’re mostly on the pmln pay roll.

What's pmIn?

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

#65

Post by dragonwriter »

ummonk wrote: post #55
photochemsyn wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

While imperial Britain has much to take blame for in South Asia, the partition is not really one of them. Great Britain (or rather Mountbatten on its behalf) really just acted as a third party arbiter in the partition. It was Jinnah's insistence on a separate carveout for Muslims in South Asia, together with Nehru's refusal to meet any demands for federalism, that resulted in partition. Imperial Britain had nothing t…

> While imperial Britain has much to take blame for in South Asia, the partition is not really one of them.

I’m going to disagree; however little direct control they exert at that point, the imperial power always bears significant responsbility for the costs of problems that accompany imperial collapse.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

#66

Post by hackernewds »

xxpor wrote: post #23
JimmyAustin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are describing StarLink once they get laser-based relaying between satellites working.

there is no world where using Starlink won't be easily detectable. You're beaming radio waves up into space, all you need is a helicopter with a $100 antenna.

Encryption is a thing.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

#67

Post by selimthegrim »

umeshunni wrote: post #64
wanderlust123 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to look a bit deeper. Dawn journalists are not bastions of journalistic integrity. They’re mostly on the pmln pay roll.

What's pmIn?

PML-N, the ruling party

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

#68

Post by anaganisk »

n_t wrote: post #33
anaganisk wrote: post #21

Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

[flagged]

I was waiting for you to arrive, not you literally but some propaganda machine, I've moved to the US last year for higher education, and fortunately for me here I was able to meet a lot of Pakistani's. And not once did anyone say anything against India or me. In fact even the older generation was so thoughtful, and recognized our shared culture and history. And they were sometimes more friendly and less judgemental than fellow Indians here.

> Do you know what is officially taught in schools for India (and Hindus)?

Please enlighten me, how a govt controlled curriculum, doesn't affect what's thought in schools. Which is exactly what my point was and BJPs influence on NCERT in the past few years are no better.

If you come outside the bubble of propaganda between both the countries, you quickly realize how played the citizens of both nations are.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

#69

Post by lazide »

mlyle wrote: post #57
MichaelZuo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starlink dishes are trivial to detect with even 1990s military technology when active. There's no way any satellite uplink can be hidden from a motivated adversary.

Yes, but we're not talking about Starlink. I'm talking about Othernet, which I mentioned above. It is receive only-- not an uplink. (I'm sure a tiny bit of RF leaks out of the LNB, but that could be mitigated as it is not designed for stealth).

Sounds useless for the internet (where every protocol is fundamentally two way), but great for ‘Radio America’ type broadcasts. Of course, so is shortwave.

definitely not solving the same ‘problem’ at all though.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

#70

Post by lazide »

mlyle wrote: post #62
lazide wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tricky thing is that receiving radio transmissions is also usually detectable - and a transceiver has to, by it's nature, transmit. [ https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5699393 ]

> The tricky thing is that receiving radio transmissions is also usually detectable A LNB is pretty quiet to begin with... and the LO is on the same frequency whether you're watching satellite TV or tapping into Othernet. You could, of course, make it much quieter still. Just because a lot of receivers leak a lot of oscillator and mixer frequencies doesn't mean it's intrinsic. > and a transceiver has to, by it's natu…

Well, that is also fundamentally not an internet.
Post reply on HN