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Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by hombre_fatal »

dcow wrote: post #103
lynx23 wrote: post #85

It took me a long time, and virtually no help from outside, to discover that vitamin D effectively cures my winter depression. I was never really feeling good around that time of the year, but it wasn't problematic enough to actually do something about it. But when my gut started to revolt around that time too, I started to feel distinctly unwell. So I went to my doctor, who gave me an approintment with a nutrition s…

This (among other things) makes me wonder why we don't have better metrics and monitoring solutions for the human body. Your option is anecdotal self-diagnosis, or a full blood panel after seeing a doctor and convincing them that you need to be tested. It seems there's room for a product that monitors your health and sends you notifications when you need to address any metrics that are falling out of normal tolerance…

You don’t have any wellness centers or clinics around you that offer blood tests? A full panel costs $80–100 but its not expensive for something you can do every few months to make sure you’re in good health. No need to convince a doctor.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by foxes »

lynx23 wrote: post #85

It took me a long time, and virtually no help from outside, to discover that vitamin D effectively cures my winter depression. I was never really feeling good around that time of the year, but it wasn't problematic enough to actually do something about it. But when my gut started to revolt around that time too, I started to feel distinctly unwell. So I went to my doctor, who gave me an approintment with a nutrition s…

But if you get a blood test you can probably see if you are deficient.

I asked a GP, just a general Dr here where I live, and they had no problem checking and were well aware of vitamin D levels and what it can cause.

Maybe you should state what country you are from before making some broad statement about the medical system.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by nradov »

jjav wrote: post #184
lynx23 wrote: post #85

It took me a long time, and virtually no help from outside, to discover that vitamin D effectively cures my winter depression. I was never really feeling good around that time of the year, but it wasn't problematic enough to actually do something about it. But when my gut started to revolt around that time too, I started to feel distinctly unwell. So I went to my doctor, who gave me an approintment with a nutrition s…

> I found it interesting that I had to discover this cure on my own. This is sadly true for so many things in medicine. The doctor may or may not care, but either way they only have 10 minutes for you and are highly incentivized to push some very expensive pills to make you go away instead of being able to analyze the issue in any depth. I used to suffer greatly from gout, to the level of being bedridden for a month+…

Peter Attia's interviews with Dr. Rick Johnson have some detailed scientific information about how fructose metabolism increases uric acid levels and causes gout.

https://peterattiamd.com/rickjohnson/

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by nicenewtemp84 »

pvaldes wrote: post #185
nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #180

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If a group of great doctors lets people crashing at 180mph ride again without surgery after a shoulder dislocation, doesnt that mean that maybe his doctor in nonametown USA might be able to learn a thing or two from them? Or are they just trying to keep their operating room billing hours maxed out? I guess we won't know for sure but I have a hunch.

Sure. That doctor could suggest his patients to wear kevlar reinforced biker jackets all the time.

A kevlar jacket isn't going to help stop your shoulder from dislocating as your flail around tumbling end over end at 100mph.. which is what dislocated the shoulder in the first place.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

tuukkah wrote: post #58
CodeWriter23 wrote: post #10

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D3 (animal-based) > D2 (plant-based) > D1 (synthetic), at least in humans if you read the literature, that is. The fishy thing is how actual scientists do whole studies using only D1 and then draw conclusions.

Plant-based D3 exists, extracted from seaweed.

I was unaware, thanks.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

timeon wrote: post #46
SoftTalker wrote: post #42

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A lot of fish you would buy at the supermarket is farm-raised. Especially catfish, salmon, and tilapia.

Good thing about farm-raised fish is that it is less contaminated, because it is usually mostly plant-fed. But it also makes it less nutritious.

Depends on what materials one classifies as a “contaminant”.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by nradov »

robertlagrant wrote: post #129
lynx23 wrote: post #97

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I am a high risk cancer patient who is blind, i.e. doesn't necessarily get a lot of sun exposure due to disability + occupation. Given the discussion in this thread regarding correlation with lattitude and cancer risk, me being around 47 deg, and my personal history, I would have expected a caring medical system to suggest vitamin D to me roughly 30 years ago already. But alas, it turns out you have to do your own st…

> But alas, it turns out you have to do your own studies to improve life expectency with our western medical system It's a shame this possibility wasn't suggested before to you, but I have never seen any evidence that western medicine isn't one of the primary drivers of global life expectancy increases.

Western medicine is one of the primary drivers of global life expectancy increases only though vaccines, antibiotics, and trauma care. Other than that it has had very little effect: we could eliminate all other forms of medical care and average life expectancy would decrease only marginally. Public sanitation and food safety enforcement have had much larger effects.

Where western medicine has had larger effects is increasing quality of life. Now you can get a hip replacement to restore your mobility or take a pill to fix your erectile dysfunction.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by xk_id »

panax wrote: post #179
basisword wrote: post #158

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Curious on what basis you're making this recommendation. It's the kind of thing I would normally read and recall at a later stage as good info, but my doctor prescribed me 20k IU a week recently for a period of a couple of months.

If your doctor prescribed you that then that is fine you should follow your doctor's advice. They might have specific reasons for the high dose. I was once prescribed a 50k dose by my doctor but had very noticeable negative effects and I know that was far too high for me. The recommended daily allowance is like 400 and that should cover the needs of most people. If you are deficient then you probably want quite a bit…

> if you take 2000 on as few as 2 days/week that probably covers your needs

Well the linked study actually found that taking the supplement once a week or month didn’t provide the benefits of dosing daily. Also the daily dose which was effective was up to 4000.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by scottlamb »

monkey_monkey wrote: post #178
kypro wrote: post #157

A few thoughts from an autistic bro scientist... Not being deficient in Vitamin D is not the same as having optimal levels of Vitamin D. Optimal levels of Vitamin D are probably around 60-70ng/ml, with a bias to upper end of that range (in my opinion anyway). I say this because individuals with a lot of sun exposure will typically have Vitamin D levels around 70ng/ml so this is in my opinion is likely closer to the l…

What's an autistic bro scientist and why is that relevant?

For the purposes of this discussion, I interpret it as similar to the common "I am not a lawyer/doctor/scientist/... but" disclaimer. More specifically, I might paraphrase as "unusually intense spectator/armchair scientist"—someone who's read about the topic in depth but isn't a researcher/practitioner, so the commenter's understanding is indirect or anecdotal and hasn't been reinforced/validated by writing research papers and subjecting them to peer review.
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