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Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by DocTomoe »

dcow wrote: post #103
lynx23 wrote: post #85

It took me a long time, and virtually no help from outside, to discover that vitamin D effectively cures my winter depression. I was never really feeling good around that time of the year, but it wasn't problematic enough to actually do something about it. But when my gut started to revolt around that time too, I started to feel distinctly unwell. So I went to my doctor, who gave me an approintment with a nutrition s…

This (among other things) makes me wonder why we don't have better metrics and monitoring solutions for the human body. Your option is anecdotal self-diagnosis, or a full blood panel after seeing a doctor and convincing them that you need to be tested. It seems there's room for a product that monitors your health and sends you notifications when you need to address any metrics that are falling out of normal tolerance…

Depending on your location, it is virtually impossible to get any real metrics.

A few years ago, inspired by some books I've read about nutrition, I tried to get a whole bloodwork done - and then another one after a few weeks of the new nutrition regime. The idea was to have a data-based approach to changing my life.

My doctor was less than helpful ('We only do full bloodwork if there is a medical indication, no I won't take your money'), and medical labs refused to do so because 'they only work with medical practitioners'. Apparently, in Germany, there is no way to get some data on my own goddamn body other than my height and my weight (things I can determine myself).

I would love to have a service where I send in a blood sample / have a blood sample taken, and get back a report, with all the values, on an easy to understand bar graph, with lower and upper bond of 'healthy'.

Startup idea, anyone?

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by avgDev »

lynx23 wrote: post #85

It took me a long time, and virtually no help from outside, to discover that vitamin D effectively cures my winter depression. I was never really feeling good around that time of the year, but it wasn't problematic enough to actually do something about it. But when my gut started to revolt around that time too, I started to feel distinctly unwell. So I went to my doctor, who gave me an approintment with a nutrition s…

I had discovered something similar.

I've had some nerve issues after a medication. First, my physicians were in complete denial that it was impossible. Then, I had to push them for tests. This includes Mayo clinic. It wasn't until I learned about neurological diseases and tests myself until I found the tests I needed. Then I had to search for a physician willing to listen.

Ended up finding a neurologist at a University who straight up agreed that due to my history of tests and not coming up with anything he is open to hearing what I think and ordering what I want as long as it is within reason. We ordered autonomic test and QSART(sweat test). My autonomic tests were unremarkable like I suspected but we found issues on the sweat tests confirming my self-diagnosed small fiber neuropathy.

I have then found other people having significant improvements from nerve supporting supplements, ALA, l-carnitine and high dose b1(which is relatively safe).

I also stumbled upon Pirenzepine, I met a chemist online who reversed his neuropathy with Pirenzepine. It is not FDA approved but available in Japan with a good safety profile. I want to try this next.

Later I discovered that there is company which is in phase 3 trials I believe with a cream with the main ingredient being Pirenzepine to treat neuropathy. In one of their studies they discovered that cream seemed to work systemically when it came to healing the nerves.

At this point my physician who is a professor is excited to hear from me. I told him I am debating obtaining pirenzepine because supplement and gabapentin offer temporary relief thus far.

The point is.....I would never receive proper diagnosis or suggestion for supplements from a physician unless I kept pushing and doing a lot of research on my own. I have seen many many doctors over the years.....Then as I expanded my knowledge I slowly began to notice that some doctors are clueless and incorrect(using outdated knowledge). It has forever changed my perspective on physicians.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by comte7092 »

moffkalast wrote: post #108
lynx23 wrote: post #85

It took me a long time, and virtually no help from outside, to discover that vitamin D effectively cures my winter depression. I was never really feeling good around that time of the year, but it wasn't problematic enough to actually do something about it. But when my gut started to revolt around that time too, I started to feel distinctly unwell. So I went to my doctor, who gave me an approintment with a nutrition s…

Just wondering, have you had any tests done regarding arterial plaque since? Supposedly one also needs a vitamin K supplement along with D to avoid that.

Unlike vitamin D, it’s not that hard to get plenty of vitamin K from diet alone.

People will say that it’s not “the right kind” k1 instead of k2, but your body can make the conversion even though it’s fairly inefficient.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by panax »

lynx23 wrote: post #85

It took me a long time, and virtually no help from outside, to discover that vitamin D effectively cures my winter depression. I was never really feeling good around that time of the year, but it wasn't problematic enough to actually do something about it. But when my gut started to revolt around that time too, I started to feel distinctly unwell. So I went to my doctor, who gave me an approintment with a nutrition s…

20,000 is way too high even though you are doing only once/week. 2000 or less daily is more appropriate.

Doses that are too high can also cause blood calcium to spike and can pull it out of bones and deposit into soft tissue.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by jewayne »

nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #104
lynx23 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a high risk cancer patient who is blind, i.e. doesn't necessarily get a lot of sun exposure due to disability + occupation. Given the discussion in this thread regarding correlation with lattitude and cancer risk, me being around 47 deg, and my personal history, I would have expected a caring medical system to suggest vitamin D to me roughly 30 years ago already. But alas, it turns out you have to do your own st…

People are so indoctrinated they for some reason actually think most doctors want to help them. I assume they also trust their dealerships service advisor.

It's so much worse than you think. Almost ALL doctors want to help. It's system (in this case, the reimbursement system) that makes it impossible to help, even though they want to. The doctors themselves have far less agency than you think.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by antimora »

ddlutz wrote: post #113

Anybody vitamin D deficient even after supplementation? I had mine checked September of last year, it was low even when taking 2000 IU a day, so DR gave me a 50,000 IU pill to take once a week. It's still considered deficient, but not as deficient. I live in Seattle, so not much sun has been out the past 6 months, not sure if that's skewing numbers lower than they are in the summer.

You could try with vitamin K2 mixed. It helps with absorption. I tried this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ECH40MQ

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by robertlagrant »

jewayne wrote: post #125
nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are so indoctrinated they for some reason actually think most doctors want to help them. I assume they also trust their dealerships service advisor.

It's so much worse than you think. Almost ALL doctors want to help. It's system (in this case, the reimbursement system) that makes it impossible to help, even though they want to. The doctors themselves have far less agency than you think.

This is far too US-centric. Western medicine is a lot broader than that.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by robertlagrant »

lynx23 wrote: post #97
BeetleB wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why I type this here? I found it interesting that I had to discover this cure on my own. The medical system wuldn't have figured that out on their own, let alone accept that it was the single solution. It's because studies showing correlation between Vitamin D level and winter depression/SAD are mixed. I'm not saying it's a placebo. If it works for some people - great! But you can't expect doctors to recommend it w…

I am a high risk cancer patient who is blind, i.e. doesn't necessarily get a lot of sun exposure due to disability + occupation. Given the discussion in this thread regarding correlation with lattitude and cancer risk, me being around 47 deg, and my personal history, I would have expected a caring medical system to suggest vitamin D to me roughly 30 years ago already. But alas, it turns out you have to do your own st…

> But alas, it turns out you have to do your own studies to improve life expectency with our western medical system

It's a shame this possibility wasn't suggested before to you, but I have never seen any evidence that western medicine isn't one of the primary drivers of global life expectancy increases.

Re: Reduced cancer mortality with daily Vitamin D intake

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Post by JoshTko »

jewayne wrote: post #125
nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are so indoctrinated they for some reason actually think most doctors want to help them. I assume they also trust their dealerships service advisor.

It's so much worse than you think. Almost ALL doctors want to help. It's system (in this case, the reimbursement system) that makes it impossible to help, even though they want to. The doctors themselves have far less agency than you think.

Having experienced several dozen healthcare providers I'd say it's more like 50/50. Half clearly have a profit as a primary motive.
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