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Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by Alex3917 »

Steko wrote: post #166
Alex3917 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://coloradoindependent.com/111645/pro-marijuana-montana-... Apparently she hasn't been charged yet, she's currently being investigated, but it seems that RICO is the framework that they are considering using to charge her.

This and your above comment constitute a wildly inaccurate extrapolation based on what's in your article.

How so? If this case sets a precedent that anyone who speaks out in favor of marijuana can be prosecuted as part of a criminal conspiracy, then by defition they would be eligible for the death penalty because that's how RICO works- you can get charged for any crime committed by someone else in your 'organization', regardless of what that crime is or what penalty it carries. I don't see how that's an extrapolation.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by pbsd »

tptacek wrote: post #117
Confusion wrote: post #97

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This kind of response, using words like 'repulsive', is a form of thoughtless polarisation. I expect better from someone always up-in-arms about the quality of posts here. This is just flamebait. There are several possible discussions here that you can't just sweep under the rug by declaring those opposing you as 'repulsive' beforehand. Here's a simple question: should they also ban the lolicon subreddit? The childre…

I agree that my wording isn't persuasive. It is, on the other hand, clear, which is my priority on this thread. Again, to be clear: I am repelled by any argument that suggests that it is unfortunate that Reddit is cracking down on child pornography. I couldn't be less interested in discussing Gaiman's take on the subject. What drew me into the thread was a comment about NNTP. NNTP is a sore point with me; the repurpo…

Reddit was already cracking down on child pornography --- illegal content was actively searched and reported to the authrities already. What's happening here has nothing to do with CP (in the legal sense), but with public perception. It's a PR move, protects roughly 0 children, and that's why so many people don't really buy it.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by defrost »

throwawaymar2 wrote: post #2

I confused about why he thinks it ironic that Nabakov is banned... I mean, it got grandfathered in when child porn laws were written, somehow, but it is certainly fiction about a paedophile, right? Anything that bans other kiddie-fiddler fiction while allowing _Lolita_ is quite obviously inconsistent, and those in favor of this inconsistency probably ought to examine why they like _Lolita_.

Yes. We should ban kiddie fiddler fiction like Romeo and Juliet. Did you read that disgusting line about busting their maiden heads? Yuck. Yuckity Yuckity Yuuuck.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by Anderkent »

diminoten wrote: post #161
Anderkent wrote: post #105

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How so? If a girl posts a picture of her in her underwear on the internet and she gets ridiculed for it, how is that victim blaming? She did something stupid, she got teased about it, case closed.

She's not old enough to know the consequences of her actions on a scale with which she, by posting herself nude, is dealing. Kids kill themselves over this stuff, it's not so simple as, "deal with the consequences."

If it makes them kill themselves its definitely not teasing, but heavy bullying. In that case very large portion of the guilt should be on those doing the bullying!

But of course it's easier to blame 'those paedophiles on the internet' than 'my little innocent boy'

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by rseymour »

"I originally cut my teeth on sites and services that, frankly, make 4chan and reddit (today’s all-too-frequent bogeymen) look like a knitting circle."

WUT NET WUZ THIS GUY ON? K5/adequacy/early slashdot/b3ta/whatever... nothing like the internet of today. the volume of users alone leads to emergent (gross) behavior that before was drowned out in an invisible minority. USENET, IRC, same thing. You could find shady things if you looked for them, but no one (I knew of) actively did. Occasionally gross stuff would pop up in a listing of newsgroups, but you just didn't click.

No one envies reddit, but they should've changed their policy earlier. Better late than never.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ojosilva wrote: post #157
squirrels wrote: post #112

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You're right, there is a huge difference between between illegal content and distasteful but protected speech. Yet you seem to be lumping them together in your post... Inside your link it says, for something to be considered "obscene": >The Miller test stems from Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15 (1973), in which the US Supreme Court held that material is obscene if each of the following factors is satisfied: >1) Whe…

> Now, people looking at those pictures may be sexualizing these images in the head No, it's not only on their head. It's written right underneath the photos by redditors, ie: "my d * is so hard right now". So the picture by itself may be harmless, but the post as a whole puts children in a highly sexualized context. To make matters worse, threads sometimes include links to fully illegal material on some download ser…

Captions don't change the contents of an image, no matter how terrible they are.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by Locke1689 »

neutronicus wrote: post #154
alecco wrote: post #12

Reddit is changing. It's currently in a renewed and stronger Eternal September. Bastion subreddits like /r/AskScience and /r/Truereddit are reduced to junk and fads. The hope for the group of moderated subreddits (Republic of Reddit) didn't really take off, it's just a handful of submitters. The top voted comments on threads about censorship are mostly 1 to 3 months old users. And now reddit (had to) surrender to a d…

/r/ShitRedditSays is entirely sincere. I've been reading it for a while, and they mean what they say.

This is 100% true. However, they are primarily concerned about the content for the content's sake (as you can see from their ban policy). Reddit is not concerned about the content, only the legal liability associated with the content (otherwise a whole bunch of other subreddits would be on the chopping block).

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by neutronicus »

Locke1689 wrote: post #177
neutronicus wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

/r/ShitRedditSays is entirely sincere. I've been reading it for a while, and they mean what they say.

This is 100% true. However, they are primarily concerned about the content for the content's sake (as you can see from their ban policy). Reddit is not concerned about the content, only the legal liability associated with the content (otherwise a whole bunch of other subreddits would be on the chopping block).

Yeah, I just wanted to dispel the idea that they're trolls faking a sense of outrage just for the opportunity to kick Reddit's sand castle.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by neutronicus »

ugh wrote: post #87
alecco wrote: post #12

Reddit is changing. It's currently in a renewed and stronger Eternal September. Bastion subreddits like /r/AskScience and /r/Truereddit are reduced to junk and fads. The hope for the group of moderated subreddits (Republic of Reddit) didn't really take off, it's just a handful of submitters. The top voted comments on threads about censorship are mostly 1 to 3 months old users. And now reddit (had to) surrender to a d…

Shit Reddit Says is pretty awesome and definitely on the right side of history. It’s not hard, it’s pretty simple.

I gotta say I agree with this. I mean, I've got my misgivings about SRS, but they did a pretty damn good job getting those subreddits shut down.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by sossles »

dkersten wrote: post #167
joering2 wrote: post #141

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I dont get this one. CBP does not reveal anything that would even remotely bring porn/nudity on my mind. I think its more a matter of your point of view. Same way I could say that an old man smiling at a 5 years old child on the subway has something dirty on his mind. There are chances but lets not get paranoid here.

I've come across them on TV from time to time and the children usually dress very provocatively and wear clothes and makeup that are usually considered "sexy" when worn by grown women. Worse still, they seem to often perform dance routines that are very provocative and sexual in nature. (eg see the end of little miss sunshine - real CBP seem to be similar)

This is what gets me. It's not CBP reddit that is a problem, it's the whacked out people (parents in this case) who are creating content that are the 'problem'. If you, as a parent, dress your toddler in provocative clothes and put them in a beauty pagent, then you're being ridiculously naive to think that people will only ever see this in an innocent light.
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