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Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by rtkwe »

vuln wrote: post #143
rtkwe wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it shouldn't be but it's the America we have and it's constitutionally difficult to do anything about it with the current interpretation of our second amendment in the Supreme Court.

> constitutionally difficult to do anything about it with the current interpretation of our second amendment in the Supreme Court. Could you explain what’s “difficult” about “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?” It appears to be pretty clear cut to me. I’m not sure how anyone can conclude the opposite.

Does the lack of that language in the other amendments mean they're not really protected?

There's similar language in the other amendments in the bill of rights, "Congress shall make no laws" in the First Amendment for example, where we have and accept some limitation on those rights.

Does the "well regulated militia" clause imply an individual right to bear arms or only that the Federal government can't make laws to disarm recognized militias?

Ultimately in the US system it doesn't really matter what you or I think a particular phrase means the only opinion that matters directly is that of the majority of the Supreme Court. Even the current Court's interpretation of 2A accepts there are reasonable restrictions on gun rights they just need to be similar or comparable to restrictions around the founding.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throwaway50603 »

ido wrote: post #142
Octokiddie wrote: post #9

Parents have not idea whatsoever of the destruction that phones have wrought on the education system, both in the large and in the small. Students who claim otherwise are gaslighting their parents. Parents are unfortunately all too willing to believe the lies because of course their child is above average and would never completely tune out of class for another hit on the electronic crack pipe. At this point, the pro…

Is this an American thing? Here in Germany my son is not allowed to have a phone at school. He doesn't have one anyway, but kids that do have to give up their phones in the morning, which are in a locked box and they get them back in the afternoon when they go home. Nobody ever asked us about it, it's simply school policy.

It's a worldwide thing. I'm in a country neighboring Germany and it's perfectly normal that everybody has a smartphone. The schools have policies that it has to be turned off but they can't touch the phone at all.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by ethbr0 »

williamcotton wrote: post #131
williamcotton wrote: post #51

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Here’s why I downvoted: It actually would have been better if neither your son nor you knew about nearby shooting. It had nothing to do with the school your son was attending. That you responded in a panic is due to a common pattern of miscommunication during an emergency. The least effective response to an emergency is everyone panicking and operating independently of each other and ignorant of the ground truth. How…

Speak of the devil... I just checked my messages and saw this from my wife an hour ago: "ACC north ridge has an armed person on campus. Don’t go out" I checked the news just now and found this out: "AUSTIN (KXAN) — A shelter-in-place order was lifted for the Austin Community College Northridge Campus. The campus issued the order at 8:50 a.m. amid reports of a possible armed person nearby. Police investigated the repo…

To me, this is the "past generations" litmus test I measure any of my personal preferences against.

If people were able to handle not-it in 1920, it's probably a "nice to have" rather than a "must have."

Which, we can all feel very strongly about things that are nice to have, but people were also doing just fine before constant connectivity was a thing.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by cududa »

phyllistine wrote: post #40
ilikecakeandpie wrote: post #21

> many critics insisting their children need phones in case of an emergency The school could always call the parent, or the parent could always call the school, right? Does the minute it might take the kid to answer the phone at the teacher's desk or walk to the office make that much of a difference? The only way I see this being something that's truly time critical is if they're using "emergency" as a euphemism for…

> The only way I see this being something that's truly time critical is if they're using "emergency" as a euphemism for school shooting. Parents are regularly getting notified about school shootings several minutes before the police. I absolutely do not want a school taking my kid's phone in this increasingly common case.

I hope your kid is never in a shooting, but what would you knowing 3 minutes before cops about a school shooting accomplish?

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by throwaway50603 »

germinalphrase wrote: post #78
Mimmy wrote: post #17

Why do parents need to "check-in" on their kids during school hours? The fact that some parent are calling students in the middle of class is particularly egregious.

Former teacher. There is no reason. Parents can always get in touch with students via the office if there's a legitimate need. That never stopped parents from calling and texting their kids during class time of course.

As a student (over a decade ago) I had hundreds - maybe even thousands over the 13 years of education, actually - of phone calls with my parents, siblings, grandparents, uncle, friends etc about various stuff I was doing after school, during school (and sometimes instead of school).

I'm sure the school office would've loved to handle all the calls for us, lol.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by hammyhavoc »

ilikecakeandpie wrote: post #47
yamtaddle wrote: post #33

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> Parents have come to the mistaken conclusion that Johnny needs a smartphone to keep in touch during the day (why exactly is a great question). My wife's had parents call their kids in class . Just to, like, chat.

This is absolutely ridiculous to me. There's no way that parent could think that's acceptable. Do they not remember being in school? If you want to see your kid, come have lunch with them one day or something like that

This might be viewed as inappropriate to have uninvited adults on-site, even if they are parents.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by hammyhavoc »

frumper wrote: post #135
HDThoreaun wrote: post #104

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Sure you're able to complete school work without a phone. You're not able to have a normal social life though and for many parents that is more important than academic success.

This statement makes me question what a normal social life is, or isn’t.

It is being able to communicate and organize efficiently.

It isn't doomscrolling and posting endless selfies for dopamine.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by williamcotton »

ethbr0 wrote: post #153
williamcotton wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speak of the devil... I just checked my messages and saw this from my wife an hour ago: "ACC north ridge has an armed person on campus. Don’t go out" I checked the news just now and found this out: "AUSTIN (KXAN) — A shelter-in-place order was lifted for the Austin Community College Northridge Campus. The campus issued the order at 8:50 a.m. amid reports of a possible armed person nearby. Police investigated the repo…

To me, this is the "past generations" litmus test I measure any of my personal preferences against. If people were able to handle not-it in 1920, it's probably a "nice to have" rather than a "must have." Which, we can all feel very strongly about things that are nice to have, but people were also doing just fine before constant connectivity was a thing.

Gotta love this guy born in the 1840s complaining about the telegraph being nothing more than a distraction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS27u6IqWt0

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by Macha »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #95
technothrasher wrote: post #32

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At my son's school, they all have to put the phones in the 'phone hotel' at the beginning of the day and pick them up at the end. Sorta worked, until the kids all just started bringing in old phones to drop in the phone hotel and keep their actual phones with them. That and the Apple watches and chromebooks mean pretty much no kid has any trouble doing whatever they want even without their phones.

What could you actually do with an Apple Watch though? Sounds like a better solution if you really need a communication link that isn’t as distracting as a smart phone. Texting is still possible, just not very convenient.

Do students these days learn to text without seeing the screen? It strikes me as more difficult to do with a touch screen, but we used to do it with T9 phones back in the day.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Post by hammyhavoc »

LanceH wrote: post #93
thefz wrote: post #43

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> Parents have been split on the issue, with many critics insisting their children need phones in case of an emergency. Then buy a 30€ dumb phone. 100% of the parents I spoke with justify themselves with "all his/her friends have it, I don't want to create a social pariah".

It has a real social impact if they don't have a phone. They will miss out on things. You might argue "but if they were real friends..", but the issue is they may never get to be real friends if they keep missing out on things. My kids get phones in 9th grade, but it is clear they aren't to be on them during school. What sets me apart from a lot of parents, though, is that I'll believe and support their teacher.

> What sets me apart from a lot of parents, though, is that I'll believe and support their teacher.

Having been abused at three different schools, I hope that there's more nuance to it than simply "I'll listen to the adult".

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