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Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Quick poll: who here doesn't want infotainment software in their car? How about keeping cars limited to 1990s level logic: basic ICs, fuel / emissions / safety control (abs, airbags). Something like 1990s Mazda with a japanese-size pickup, miata & basic sedan / hatchback.

Can't, at least in the US. Regulations won't permit making dumb cars like that anymore.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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I'm stunned someone like GM could entice anyone from top-tier tech firms AT ALL, regardless of compensation.

He likely was promised an awful lot of power and freedom to do what he thinks it's right. Challenging situations can be fun, specially if you succeed in the end.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding of GM is that they outsource almost everything. Last time I hired an embedded software engineer from them, the guy felt he was in a very tiny niche within the company and it was a fluke his group still existed to write code. Infotainment systems may be different, but suppliers were doing most of the code several years back (I hired one of those guys too). With the desire to bring SaaS to automotive I…

>My understanding of GM is that they outsource almost everything. Every single automaker outsources nearly everything under the bodywork related to engineering and development to their suppliers. VW, Renault, BMW, Mercedes, etc. all of them do it.

True, but outsourcing hardware components and outsourcing software aren't the same. Even when the hardware is actually very software-heavy, and designed to super specific requirements from the buyer, in the eyes of the supplier it's still a product. But outsourced software invariably becomes a project, with all the incentive misalignment that's implied by the term "billable hours". Even when that's technically not how the contract is set up.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I am gobsmacked at just how terrible modern vehicles are CarPlay, adaptive cruise control, lane assist, automatic lights (brights, on/off, turning), cameras, remote start from my phone, and lots of other things are awesome modern additions to cars that I wouldn't want to go without anymore.

Lane assist done poorly (seen on my latest Toyota Corolla rental) is distracting and made me want to turn it off. Any advanced features that are rushed or poorly thought out - can turn into liabilities instead of assets.

Indeed. Some cars feel dangerous with lane assist when there's significant noise from repaving,sealing, etc to confuse the car and it's trying to correct nothing.

That said, I still enjoy most of the modern computer conveniences that cars have. Remote start is great, cameras are great, so I'm sure more and more good/safe designs will come with time.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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post #80

Quick poll: who here doesn't want infotainment software in their car? How about keeping cars limited to 1990s level logic: basic ICs, fuel / emissions / safety control (abs, airbags). Something like 1990s Mazda with a japanese-size pickup, miata & basic sedan / hatchback.

I don't want to go back to pre-Tesla cruise control. Not the FSD but the basic cruise control they offer that can stop in traffic, keep in the lane and automatically start moving once the car ahead moves.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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post #80

Quick poll: who here doesn't want infotainment software in their car? How about keeping cars limited to 1990s level logic: basic ICs, fuel / emissions / safety control (abs, airbags). Something like 1990s Mazda with a japanese-size pickup, miata & basic sedan / hatchback.

Why get rid of 3 decades of security improvements?

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Mike Abbott was kicked out of Apple where he didn’t make any meaningful contribution. Why GM is picking him up? Another wasteful move.

This is utter bullshit, as a cloud Apple employee. Mike was an excellent leader in iCloud, championed a whole bunch of new tech, and took a failing business and made it massively profitable. I don't think anyone in Eddy's org was happy to see him go.

I was an engineering manager in Mike's org. I liked him on a personal level but he was thrown a lot of legacy services from other orgs. Cloud services is just not Apple's forte. The internal tools/infra feels 10 years behind Google (based on friends who've worked at both). I too heard that he was pushed out.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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I'm stunned someone like GM could entice anyone from top-tier tech firms AT ALL, regardless of compensation.

Compensation and title are basically everything once you leave the IC role. Trampolining through GM is just fine if you want to land at some other mega company after.

IMHO, most tech ICs have literally no idea what comp packages look like when you get out of the bottom and middle. Sure, they know that Pichai is making $220M a year but they recognize that's unusual. Making $10M+ a year, though, isn't that unusual in these big companies once you are an SVP or EVP plus lots of deferred comp perks and so on.

Strategically, you work at tier one companies in order to _facilitate_ these career moves. The FANG/etc.-focused crowd needs to ask themselves what their terminal goals are.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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The 2022 Chevy Silverado I rented died at 488 miles on the odometer. The roadside assistance mechanic said the transmission "lost data connection to the engine". Later, a tow truck had to drag it onto it's flatbed as the rear wheels were locked up. Also, apparently the tailgate is electric now. And for some reason it stopped working when the transmission died. Also also, there is no way to turn the truck off? When it…

Worth pointing out that GM actually failed as a business and only survived the 2008 recession because the government briefly nationalized it as part of an economic bailout. In a free market GM wouldn’t exist.

It's worth pointing out that the free market would replace it with BYD.

Economics are politics, and as such are a little more complicated than that one chart you saw in high school.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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I'm stunned someone like GM could entice anyone from top-tier tech firms AT ALL, regardless of compensation.

I was an engineering manager in Mike's org. I heard he was pushed out.

Also, at GM he's reporting directly to the CEO whereas at Apple he reported to Eddy Cue who reported to Tim Cook. This move puts him one level closer to the CEO spot.

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