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Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Post by tempsy »

woodruffw wrote: post #93
tempsy wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "booming" NYC is not necessarily a purely positive thing. SF and NYC used to be fairly comparable as far as cost of living goes but now renting in SF is comparable to a dozen other metros (eg. $3k for a 1 bed, under $4k for a 2 bed) but in NYC it's a now an absurdly expensive outlier eg. $5k+ for a 1 bed in a convenient area in Manhattan or Brooklyn. Beyond that eating out/going out/uber+taxis all seemed much more…

NYC is indeed absurdly expensive (and getting worse), but: you're being taken for a ride if someone is trying to rent you a 1BR for $5K. I live in a convenient (and "cool") area and pay less than a third of that. The only 1BRs that I'm aware of that go for anywhere close to that are "luxury" rentals, which tend to be worse anyways (newer construction means thinner walls, etc.).

You're suggesting paying $1600/mo for your own place is a really good area of NYC is more the norm than paying $5k?

That's simply untrue. Average 1 beds on Zumper for all of Manhattan is $4k. In more central areas downtown it's absolutely going to be more right now. https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/manhattan-ny

And if you rent something that requires a brokers fee then that's another ~2 months of rent you're paying on your initial lease.

Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Post by bugglebeetle »

bityard wrote: post #78
SeanAnderson wrote: post #8

I live in SF and spend a fair amount of time thinking about its poor 5-year economic outlook. It's not great, but I am curious how it compares to other metros? If I were to move from SF, wanted to live in a metro area, and was uncomfortable living in a very red state - where should I consider? Where is thriving? I have a good amount of friends in Portland, but Portland is adjacent SF in terms of poor economic recover…

Personal politics, IMO, is not a good reason to avoid living in certain areas. I'm a liberal-leaning moderate but many of my favorite people (friends and family) are conservative, and many of my hobbies tend to be populated mainly by the conservative demographic. You'll always find people here and there who won't give you the time of day if you're not on Team Blue or Team Red, but my take on it is, if I can't make fr…

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Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Post by candiddevmike »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #96
bityard wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal politics, IMO, is not a good reason to avoid living in certain areas. I'm a liberal-leaning moderate but many of my favorite people (friends and family) are conservative, and many of my hobbies tend to be populated mainly by the conservative demographic. You'll always find people here and there who won't give you the time of day if you're not on Team Blue or Team Red, but my take on it is, if I can't make fr…

Oh I can make friends. What I can't do is get an abortion or in good faith tell my lgbt child that I support them. I deeply believe that unwanted children make society worse so expect abortion banning states to become less desirable in 15-20 years.

What's wrong with your kids being LGBT? Why wouldn't you support that?

Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Post by striking »

candiddevmike wrote: post #103
HDThoreaun wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I can make friends. What I can't do is get an abortion or in good faith tell my lgbt child that I support them. I deeply believe that unwanted children make society worse so expect abortion banning states to become less desirable in 15-20 years.

What's wrong with your kids being LGBT? Why wouldn't you support that?

I think the parent comment is suggesting you can't move to such an area and say you're supporting your LGBT child, that it would be in bad faith to tell them you support them having made the choice to move there.

Or in other words, perhaps they'd like to say they support their child, but it'd be disingenuous.

Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Post by HDThoreaun »

candiddevmike wrote: post #103
HDThoreaun wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I can make friends. What I can't do is get an abortion or in good faith tell my lgbt child that I support them. I deeply believe that unwanted children make society worse so expect abortion banning states to become less desirable in 15-20 years.

What's wrong with your kids being LGBT? Why wouldn't you support that?

Some red states are beginning to enact legislation that makes it more difficult for lgbt children to come to terms with who they are. I think the abortion issue is a much bigger deal, but I would definitely feel guilty about raising a lgbt child in that environment.

Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Post by woodruffw »

tempsy wrote: post #101
woodruffw wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYC is indeed absurdly expensive (and getting worse), but: you're being taken for a ride if someone is trying to rent you a 1BR for $5K. I live in a convenient (and "cool") area and pay less than a third of that. The only 1BRs that I'm aware of that go for anywhere close to that are "luxury" rentals, which tend to be worse anyways (newer construction means thinner walls, etc.).

You're suggesting paying $1600/mo for your own place is a really good area of NYC is more the norm than paying $5k? That's simply untrue. Average 1 beds on Zumper for all of Manhattan is $4k. In more central areas downtown it's absolutely going to be more right now. https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/manhattan-ny And if you rent something that requires a brokers fee then that's another ~2 months of rent you're payi…

I said I live in a "cool" area, not midtown Manhattan. I don't live in Manhattan at all, although I did for over 20 years.

Looking at 1BR rentals in Bushwick and Ridgewood (not my areas, but similarly considered "cool"), the average is between $1800 and $2500. Studios average $1400 and $2100.

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Post by [deleted] »

candiddevmike wrote: post #103
HDThoreaun wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I can make friends. What I can't do is get an abortion or in good faith tell my lgbt child that I support them. I deeply believe that unwanted children make society worse so expect abortion banning states to become less desirable in 15-20 years.

What's wrong with your kids being LGBT? Why wouldn't you support that?

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Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Post by [deleted] »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #105
candiddevmike wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with your kids being LGBT? Why wouldn't you support that?

Some red states are beginning to enact legislation that makes it more difficult for lgbt children to come to terms with who they are. I think the abortion issue is a much bigger deal, but I would definitely feel guilty about raising a lgbt child in that environment.

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Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Post by [deleted] »

candiddevmike wrote: post #103
HDThoreaun wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I can make friends. What I can't do is get an abortion or in good faith tell my lgbt child that I support them. I deeply believe that unwanted children make society worse so expect abortion banning states to become less desirable in 15-20 years.

What's wrong with your kids being LGBT? Why wouldn't you support that?

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Re: Downtown SF has 18.4M square feet of empty office space. We mapped every vacancy

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Post by [deleted] »

bblpeter wrote: post #77
calgarymicro wrote: post #72

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Funny you say that, because not only do 'red' states have higher crime rates than 'blue' states[0], but 'red' cities within those red states, like Jacksonville or Oklahoma City, also have higher crime rates.[1] [0] https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-mur... [1] https://www.newsweek.com/these-republican-cities-have-higher...

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