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Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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I think it's probably the opposite -- they've probably hired him to help build their new entertainment+surveillance stack.

My understanding of GM is that they outsource almost everything. Last time I hired an embedded software engineer from them, the guy felt he was in a very tiny niche within the company and it was a fluke his group still existed to write code. Infotainment systems may be different, but suppliers were doing most of the code several years back (I hired one of those guys too). With the desire to bring SaaS to automotive I…

“My understanding of GM is that they outsource almost everything”

I think that was an attitude from like 10 years ago. When i worked there they had all their web & mobile apps in-house. They even stood up their own hosted PCF network into the more recently partnered with Azure.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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The 2022 Chevy Silverado I rented died at 488 miles on the odometer. The roadside assistance mechanic said the transmission "lost data connection to the engine". Later, a tow truck had to drag it onto it's flatbed as the rear wheels were locked up. Also, apparently the tailgate is electric now. And for some reason it stopped working when the transmission died. Also also, there is no way to turn the truck off? When it…

The computerization of vehicles can be done exceptionally well or exceptionally bad, and some of them are just phenomenally bad.

yes i have always enjoyed every time i drive a vw id.3. i have not enjoyed so much tesla or any other american made computerized car.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The computerization of vehicles can be done exceptionally well or exceptionally bad, and some of them are just phenomenally bad.

yes i have always enjoyed every time i drive a vw id.3. i have not enjoyed so much tesla or any other american made computerized car.

It's even beyond the UI and how the components work with each other (the example of the transmission dying killing everything). Some of the vehicles will shut down entirely, some will cut out into limp mode, etc.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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I personally like having a car with these, but I'm not convinced it will be the death of GM like people predict. >GM was not affected by PRISM, so they could make claims of having a privacy oriented vehicle. That messaging does really well on HN and I imagine other communities as well. >The other thing is deeper integration. Yes it sounds like a security nightmare, but you will get additional features this way. >You…

> GM was not affected by PRISM, so they could make claims of having a privacy oriented vehicle I don't this this really follows. Can't you be unaffected by PRISM and then later also sell lots of customer data or whatever? Though I agree this won't be the death of GM. The worst case is they later go back and just add Carplay and Android Auto and waste a bunch of money trying to write their own stuff. > >You also write…

> this isn't the case for any person or corporation and it never will be. You always rely on someone or something else.

Come on now... You know what I'm talking about.

We arent talking about making a car from raw materials, we are talking about in-house vs outsource.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Mike Abbott was kicked out of Apple where he didn’t make any meaningful contribution. Why GM is picking him up? Another wasteful move.

This is utter bullshit, as a cloud Apple employee. Mike was an excellent leader in iCloud, championed a whole bunch of new tech, and took a failing business and made it massively profitable. I don't think anyone in Eddy's org was happy to see him go.

Sure hope iCloud is “massively profitable”, they’ve been spamming me non-stop with their messages both on my phone and on my laptop ever since my cloud hardware disk space there (which I had never asked for in the first place) got “full” or such some time ago.

Otherwise great hardware products, both the Apple phone and the Apple laptop.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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I'm stunned someone like GM could entice anyone from top-tier tech firms AT ALL, regardless of compensation.

Some folks really love what they do, and being given the keys to the castle to do what they love the way they want to do it is an awfully enticing opportunity.

Yeah, I mean its one thing to take a seat in a rocketship and go along for the ride, but its quite another from a challenge and career perspective to turn the rocket thats falling to earth around and pointing it in the right direction.

Generally at this stage in my career, I would probably enjoy the latter more. I was a smallish part of two turnarounds like this, and its just a real joy watching people get unshackled. Just stripping away busy work like requiring accounts to get approvals by 3 people (and why not just give everyone in the tech org a gitlab/pagerduty/whatever account and write a script that if they don't use it for a month, its automatically deactivated). Just asking why repeatedly until you finally get to the "scary" person no one wanted to confront who can't give you a good answer so you just say ok, lets just get rid of this... Removing the busy work, getting rid of bureaucracy, which I hear exists in enormous amounts at GM and other automakers... yeah taking that and just turning everything on its head can be wonderfully rewarding.

I would take a job like that again in a heartbeat. And tbh, he is a big enough deal at this point its not like its going to be career ending if he fails. And if he does fail, its likely just going to be from not being given enough authority to make the changes he wants. One kind of argument that may be very difficult to swallow for his upper management- allowing fully remote workers/teams. I am sure there are a lot of people that will want to work on something like this, but not a lot of them are going to want to move to Detroit to do so. So then you pivot to "well are you open to opening an office in the Bay area" and they reply "well that sounds expensive!" and you say... well we can also do it cheap and hire remotely, maybe even save on salaries... and then you get the "but what about [how do we know if they are working|Corporate Culture|That sounds scary" and on and on it goes until someone blinks. Anyway, getting into the weeds, but this is just a small facet of what goes into a role like this, before even getting into anything technical.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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The problem isn't "can GM make software" (though that is of course _a_ problem). It's "can GM continue to produce updates to a car's entertainment system for years after it was released, including matching new features from Android Auto or CarPlay". I'm not even sure it's a "will", I think it's legitimately a "can they" - the benefit of Android Auto and Car Play is that if a new feature requires improved hardware someone just needs a new phone. If GM needs new hardware for a feature they need at minimum a mechanic visit.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Infotainment has been commoditized by way of Android Automotive and Carplay. The perception that there is a subscription revenue opportunity for intotainment is misguided - the TAM is insignificant, and the net loss of prospective Customers that refuse to buy a vehicle without Android Auto or or Carplay far outweighs any potential subscription revenue. This will go over about as well as Cadillac Cue did from 2013-201…

Yup. All buyers who care about having a good infotainment setup will avoid GM, leaving them with only buyers that don't care about it as much. Are these the buyers they think will then pony up $30 a month for their store-brand version?

OnStar is dead, guys. It's not coming back. Don't destroy your actual business (cars) by trying to cosplay as a "tech company SaaS vertical"

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

#59
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's probably the opposite -- they've probably hired him to help build their new entertainment+surveillance stack.

My understanding of GM is that they outsource almost everything. Last time I hired an embedded software engineer from them, the guy felt he was in a very tiny niche within the company and it was a fluke his group still existed to write code. Infotainment systems may be different, but suppliers were doing most of the code several years back (I hired one of those guys too). With the desire to bring SaaS to automotive I…

>My understanding of GM is that they outsource almost everything.

Every single automaker outsources nearly everything under the bodywork related to engineering and development to their suppliers. VW, Renault, BMW, Mercedes, etc. all of them do it.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

#60

I'm stunned someone like GM could entice anyone from top-tier tech firms AT ALL, regardless of compensation.

They pay enough money they can probably pick off people that have petered our in their tier 1 company and would have been on the way out anyway
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