Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by andybak » Tue, May 09, 2023, 4:05 PM UTC

dagmx wrote: post #107

andybak wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, I was going to join in with my own thoughts but this conversation seems to have gotten a little... personal... For the record, I find touchscreen interfaces rather underwhelming. I've tried to love my iPad for creative purposes but I just find trackpad/mouse + keyboard faster and more versatile. Of course - both pale in comparison to physical buttons. I dream of a touchscreen with really convincing haptics. That…

It should go without saying, but I’m not talking about absolute workflows because there are no such things. Workflows are subjective and contextual. I too use a Mac for a lot of audio work, and I’m not suggesting that one replaces the other in all forms. I’m simply saying why this is a big deal for that one part of my workflow that had a hole which a Mac doesn’t cover. The whole “touch vs not” discussion doesn’t add…

I think there's a difference in conversation style here.

If somebody says "I think x" I've always felt it was entirely reasonable to respond with "I disagree because y" - that's not being argumentative, it's just having a conversation.

You're not the first person that seems to feel differently about whether or not it's impolite to respond in this way. It just always surprises me when I hit this particlar difference in communication preferences.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by tm-guimaraes » Tue, May 09, 2023, 4:06 PM UTC

More companies should just adopt Jetbrains model.

Month subscription available, but by paying the annual subscription you get a perpetual license for the last release covered by your purchase, which makes an annual subscription pretty much the same as "buy with 1 year of updates".

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Tue, May 09, 2023, 4:09 PM UTC

basisword wrote: post #64

So many “I don’t get it” comments in this thread. And complaints about the subscription pricing. The market for this seems pretty obvious - teenagers. iPad seems like the default computer for kids these days and kids like to create. When I was a teenager I had to build my own PC, struggle to pirate Cubase and some plugins and it was a nightmare. When I finally got a MacBook Logic being $200 was out of reach still. A…

I get it: Money

Apple thinks that they will make more money this way.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by thewebcount » Tue, May 09, 2023, 4:11 PM UTC

LegitShady wrote: post #183

dagmx wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I should expand why not a laptop, but it boils down to removing lots of little friction points that make ephemeral ideas harder to put down. 1. Touch first is important because your instruments are touch as well. Being able to record my live instruments and not have to switch to a trackpad to move between UI elements seems small, but it really keeps me in the zone. 2. Same point above, but basically being abl…

I think there is a lot going for the music ecosystem on ipad - lots of affordable apps, cheap effects compared to desktop etc. At the same time I don't think the device itself is built with the connectivity for the kind of music making I think about. If all your synths and effects live on the iPad and you don't care about after touch maybe, but if you want to hook external gear up the iPad just isn't made for it. no…

Regarding aftertouch, it does support it in a way (and it's shown in the video). For many synths, after you press a key on the on-screen keyboard, if you hold it and move your finger up towards the back end of the key, it gets translated into aftertouch. GarageBand on iPad has supported this as long as I've been using it (a few years). I don't know if every synth supports it, but there are definitely some who do.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by tonetheman » Tue, May 09, 2023, 4:14 PM UTC

hammyhavoc wrote: post #215

deofoo wrote: post #200

Where is the innovation? Such a disappointment.

Well, what were you expecting ? Can you describe what innovation looks like?

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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by thewebcount » Tue, May 09, 2023, 4:15 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #50

dagmx wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I should expand why not a laptop, but it boils down to removing lots of little friction points that make ephemeral ideas harder to put down. 1. Touch first is important because your instruments are touch as well. Being able to record my live instruments and not have to switch to a trackpad to move between UI elements seems small, but it really keeps me in the zone. 2. Same point above, but basically being abl…

Even as a paying Bitwig subscriber, I don't get it. My instruments are velocity and aftertouch sensitive. Having a touchscreen interface for these instruments is no better than typing on your keyboard to play notes. And then if you want to plug in hardware, you have to either settle for one thing and no charging or buy a dongle. > being able to switch between my live instrument and an on screen virtual one is a big d…

FWIW, the iPad is velocity sensitive. I haven't tried Logic Pro on it yet, but with Garage Band, it definitely plays louder if you hit it harder (for patches that support it). Some software synths in GB also have a pseudo-aftertouch where you slide your finger up after hitting the key to invoke aftertouch.

That said, I don't like playing on a screen. I'm a long-time piano and keyboard player so I just hook up an external instrument. But I was pleasantly surprised by what I could do just on the iPad with GarageBand.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by jrajav » Tue, May 09, 2023, 4:16 PM UTC

conradfr wrote: post #146

oger wrote: post #54

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

It's interesting as they was a big uproar weeks ago when audio plugins developer Waves tried to move to a subscription only model (they caved in four days).

There's a big difference in earned trust. Waves has had scummy business practices for a long time - price gouging back in the day, and more recently, an "upgrade plan" that amounts to a barely optional subscription already. That is, unless you don't want bug fixes, M1 compatibility, etc.

They also have perpetual sales cycles that only serve to trick new customers into thinking the sale price is actually a deal and not just the normal price (this is not exclusive to Waves but they do it more broadly and more often than anyone else except for Plugin Alliance).

In other words, Waves is the used car salesman of the audio plugin world. Certainly not alone in that, but way less trustworthy than a big player like Apple. Who knows what they'd try to pull this time. THAT is the sentiment behind the recent uproar.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by EnigmaCurry » Tue, May 09, 2023, 4:16 PM UTC

pohl wrote: post #212

EnigmaCurry wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ownership.

Even without the subscription model, one never owns the software they buy. It's still just a license, at the end of the day.

irrevocable licenses are pretty different than subscriptions.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by charcircuit » Tue, May 09, 2023, 4:16 PM UTC

tm-guimaraes wrote: post #232

More companies should just adopt Jetbrains model. Month subscription available, but by paying the annual subscription you get a perpetual license for the last release covered by your purchase, which makes an annual subscription pretty much the same as "buy with 1 year of updates".

In the jetbrains you only get a perpetual license for the current version. You lose the year of updates.

Also why should companies do that? They could be leaving money on the table as people can continue to gain value from the perpetual version without you getting any compensation for that value. Also you now have to deal wind a fragmented user base on different versions. And the user community has to dear with not everyone supporting the same features and menu navigation as everyone else.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by mattwad » Tue, May 09, 2023, 4:17 PM UTC

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #148

jonhohle wrote: post #139

Subscription! Even Apple has fallen. This is really disappointing.

$5/mo for top of the line software that will continue to get updates + new features + bug fixes is "really disappointing"?

Who cares about top-of-the-line updates. Adobe Photoshop features from 10 years ago is all I need for my use case, and probably anyone who's not using it every day. That's why they force subscriptions now.