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Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Mike Abbott was kicked out of Apple where he didn’t make any meaningful contribution. Why GM is picking him up? Another wasteful move.

> where he didn’t make any meaningful contribution. Super curious about this, what more can you share?

Throwaway, It was chaotic, plenty of technical and leadership missteps. But at the core, he was incapable of confronting deeper issues. The proficiency of Apple does not lie in cloud or infrastructure. It's a simple truth.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Hope he convinces them to go back on the stupid decision that is to abandon Carplay/Android Auto.

I think it's probably the opposite -- they've probably hired him to help build their new entertainment+surveillance stack.

Then wouldn't the Apple mentality be "Touchpads ... for everything!" (and thus a steb back)?

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Hope he convinces them to go back on the stupid decision that is to abandon Carplay/Android Auto.

I think it's probably the opposite -- they've probably hired him to help build their new entertainment+surveillance stack.

My understanding of GM is that they outsource almost everything. Last time I hired an embedded software engineer from them, the guy felt he was in a very tiny niche within the company and it was a fluke his group still existed to write code.

Infotainment systems may be different, but suppliers were doing most of the code several years back (I hired one of those guys too). With the desire to bring SaaS to automotive I would expect GM to bring some software development in-house, but they are a management-heavy company.

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Yup, this reads like they decided to "buy a guy to build GMplay" rather than just use CarPlay. unlikely to go well.

They have this misguided perception that EVs require some deep level integration via some customized build of AAOS, that can't already be solved by individual apps on a smartphone. Namely - customizing charging times at home for off-peak rates / usage, identifying chargers on a specific route or daily commute, pre-warming or pre-cooling a car (which can be done already today because all these vehicles have LTE or 5G…

a fully integrated OS is a better experience, if done right. unfortunately, the trend here is towards monetization (enshittification?) of everything in the UX: monthly data plan, onstar, required GM login for any smart features to work, mandatory mobile app installation.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Infotainment has been commoditized by way of Android Automotive and Carplay. The perception that there is a subscription revenue opportunity for intotainment is misguided - the TAM is insignificant, and the net loss of prospective Customers that refuse to buy a vehicle without Android Auto or or Carplay far outweighs any potential subscription revenue. This will go over about as well as Cadillac Cue did from 2013-201…

I wouldn't go so far as to say that lack of Carplay would be a complete deal-breaker for me but it would sure be a huge entry in the "cons" column.

Having used proprietary infotainment systems in the past and currently using carplay, for me it would 100% be a complete deal-breaker. (Unless of course I'm buying a car that predates the technology)

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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The 2022 Chevy Silverado I rented died at 488 miles on the odometer. The roadside assistance mechanic said the transmission "lost data connection to the engine". Later, a tow truck had to drag it onto it's flatbed as the rear wheels were locked up.

Also, apparently the tailgate is electric now. And for some reason it stopped working when the transmission died. Also also, there is no way to turn the truck off? When it entered the error-state, the dash stayed on and the cabin motor stayed blowing, but the "Start" button wouldn't turn anything off.

I know I'm an odd case, my newest car is from 1997... but I am gobsmacked at just how terrible modern vehicles are. I know customers are dumb and are easily impressed by cheap gadgetry, but why did we have to throw the baby out with the bath water?

So when I hear that GM is going to build their own CarPlay or whatever I can't help but laugh. They can't even build a good fleet pickup truck.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Mike Abbott was kicked out of Apple where he didn’t make any meaningful contribution. Why GM is picking him up? Another wasteful move.

> where he didn’t make any meaningful contribution. Super curious about this, what more can you share?

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Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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It wouldn’t be a dealbreaker for me if I was buying a low cost used car, although at this point it has been around for long enough that even the beater Camry rental I’m driving right now has it. But if I’m paying big bucks for a new car I can’t imagine not having CarPlay. Ironically it’s the expensive “high-tech” brands like Tesla and Rivian that don’t support it.

My Tesla driving friend let his Tesla subscription lapse over a card failure last week, and the infotainment system, that has Spotify -- with an account he pays for -- no longer functions. But like, if he paired his bluetooth, he'd get Spotify playback capability, he'd just have to use his voice to explore Spotify music. Meanwhile, me in my 2004; with an aftermarket radio - with wireless tethering to my phone OR a go…

You can still do wifi tethering and then the build in service will work.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Mike Abbott was kicked out of Apple where he didn’t make any meaningful contribution. Why GM is picking him up? Another wasteful move.

This is utter bullshit, as a cloud Apple employee.

Mike was an excellent leader in iCloud, championed a whole bunch of new tech, and took a failing business and made it massively profitable. I don't think anyone in Eddy's org was happy to see him go.

Re: Ex-Apple VP Mike Abbott Joins General Motors as Exec Vice President, Software

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's probably the opposite -- they've probably hired him to help build their new entertainment+surveillance stack.

Then wouldn't the Apple mentality be "Touchpads ... for everything!" (and thus a steb back)?

Apple puts physical input methods where it matters, such as the wheel and buttons on their watches.
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