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US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after series of shootings

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Re: US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after series of shootings

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Cat's out of the bag on this one. You will never get all the guns back, not without running a very real risk of instigating civil war. Ms. Jackson Lee thinks the real cause of the problem is "guns, guns, guns" - I say it's criminals, criminals, criminals. Why's Texas have so many criminals willing to use firearms for evil?

Didn’t Australia do this? Or are you saying that the US is unique in gun culture? Not rhetorical, I’m genuinely interested.

Re: US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after series of shootings

#72
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The “foreign influence” part is when mass shootings are a fraction of a fraction of the deaths, yet 50% of the news coverage. Media publishes sensational pieces about what consumers demand - consumer demand is increasingly driven by online discourse, which is free to manipulate easily. The best kind of misinformation is misinformation that is true but not representative of the real situation. Have you checked our hea…

It doesn't take foreign influence for shocking violence to get attention. Sensational news has been a big part of mass media as long as mass media has existed.

No but foreign influence does help when any comment pointing out that there are things more important for the country to fix than mass shootings(heart disease and obesity) are immediately downvoted and mocked.

Re: US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after series of shootings

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Why the filter on race? And why are you comparing a rate in a subset of US population to the rate for the entire population in other countries? Edit: typo

If you can find per-capita homicide rates disaggregated by race in other countries, that would be most welcome.

Why does it need to be by race?

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Looking through the list of the most recent ones, I’m having trouble finding any white nationalists

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna83336

Took less than a minute to find.

Re: US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after series of shootings

#75
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Cat's out of the bag on this one. You will never get all the guns back, not without running a very real risk of instigating civil war. Ms. Jackson Lee thinks the real cause of the problem is "guns, guns, guns" - I say it's criminals, criminals, criminals. Why's Texas have so many criminals willing to use firearms for evil?

> very real risk of instigating civil war. Doubtful. Especially considering the American Civil war was started by wealthy land owners, but fought by the poorest conscripted Southerners. I don't really think Americans are willing to give up their extremely consumerist lives to fight and potentially die over what is essentially a hobby to most. Of course it's a convenient narrative: that Americans would take up arms in…

What these people are missing is that it's not just consumers that would be involved. We can already see how law enforcement is split on the issue when you look at how many rural sheriffs are refusing to enforce new gun laws as they are enacted in various states. This is an issue that has a strong urban/rural divide, which means there are people in all manner of roles that could be on either side. And yes, some companies or people take advantage of that, just as other do from reporting on mass shootings while largely ignoring the everyday shootings that pose a bigger threat.

Re: US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after series of shootings

#76
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Please be more specific when you talk about "the media", the most abused term in American culture.

Obviously they mean anyone who ever dares to publish anything. Every comment here is clearly part of "the media". /s

Well no, that's ridiculous. 'The media' only published the ones you disagree with.

Re: US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after series of shootings

#77
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “foreign influence” part is when mass shootings are a fraction of a fraction of the deaths, yet 50% of the news coverage. Media publishes sensational pieces about what consumers demand - consumer demand is increasingly driven by online discourse, which is free to manipulate easily. The best kind of misinformation is misinformation that is true but not representative of the real situation. Have you checked our hea…

You're telling me that "sensational and outrageous headlines" is a foreign influence operation? Let's be serious. Yellow Journalism was thriving in its modern birthplace of USA long before PRC or RF even existed.

No, I’m telling you that sensational media is driven by demand.

Demand from consumers who interact with the internet.

Consumers who, on the internet, ONLY see upvoted comments about masa shootings and see anything talking about the more deadly issue of heart disease/obesity downvoted and mocked.

Re: US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after series of shootings

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If you can find per-capita homicide rates disaggregated by race in other countries, that would be most welcome.

Why does it need to be by race?

The media seemed extremely motivated to point out race for George Floyd and other anecdotal cases. It seems only fair to then also look at race when it comes to statistics. Otherwise, one is effectively lying by cherry-picking which cases to focus on.

Besides, others seem quite confident the issue is guns. Without examining other causes, we can't be sure that's the case.

Re: US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after series of shootings

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Cat's out of the bag on this one. You will never get all the guns back, not without running a very real risk of instigating civil war. Ms. Jackson Lee thinks the real cause of the problem is "guns, guns, guns" - I say it's criminals, criminals, criminals. Why's Texas have so many criminals willing to use firearms for evil?

I am far less free now that there are daily mass shootings. Me and millions of people stay in their homes and never go to populated places. It sucks and I would be willing to go to a deeper level of hell if it meant undoing these shackles.

Re: US on track to set record in 2023 for mass killings after series of shootings

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Sigh. This is like Americans being terrified of living in Australia, b/c they've been convinced by Animal Planet that they'll be killed by venomous wildlife. There are dangerous places, but everyone you are working with will quickly let you know where they are in your area, and you can avoid them.

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