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Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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> many critics insisting their children need phones in case of an emergency

The school could always call the parent, or the parent could always call the school, right? Does the minute it might take the kid to answer the phone at the teacher's desk or walk to the office make that much of a difference?

The only way I see this being something that's truly time critical is if they're using "emergency" as a euphemism for school shooting.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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This article is super surprising. You mean phones weren't already banned? I would have expected it to be like taking a Game Boy or a laptop into a lesson, instant confiscation until the end of the day.

> You mean phones weren't already banned?

Parents won't allow bans. Not only do kids throw fits if a phone is taken (see the teacher get pepper sprayed the other day because he took a phone a student was actively using to cheat during a test? Then an earlier video surfaced of a student punching him, though IDK if that one was phone related) but parents do, too. There's only so much schools can do if parents aren't backing them up—ultimately, the school board runs the school, and the school board's answerable to and largely made up of parents (among other locals, but parents are the most politically-active there, for obvious reasons).

Teachers and school admin would love to ban phones, but cannot.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Parents have not idea whatsoever of the destruction that phones have wrought on the education system, both in the large and in the small. Students who claim otherwise are gaslighting their parents. Parents are unfortunately all too willing to believe the lies because of course their child is above average and would never completely tune out of class for another hit on the electronic crack pipe. At this point, the pro…

I didn't get my first real phone until after high school, while everyone else had one. I graduated salutatorian. I was able to focus on my homework after school for hours without distractions. I had a computer at home, but it was pretty crappy.

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Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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This article is super surprising. You mean phones weren't already banned? I would have expected it to be like taking a Game Boy or a laptop into a lesson, instant confiscation until the end of the day.

The high school my kids went to (they are in college now) required them to have a phone. They used the camera for projects (videos and photo projects), were told to use the calendar for tracking tests and assignments), and used email and some other app that I don't recall the name of that let the teacher broadcast to the kids and the kids could reply privately to the teacher.

A homework assignment would be on the whiteboard and instead of having the kids copy it down, they would tell them to take a photo of it. They used the browser often for the all kinds of things.

If a kid couldn't afford phone service they could use an inexpensive or second-hand device on the school's wifi. Apparently it was never a problem though - everybody had a phone.

By the end of high school, the kids are 17 or 18 years old - adults. Teaching them to use their phones responsibly isn't a bad thing.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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This article is super surprising. You mean phones weren't already banned? I would have expected it to be like taking a Game Boy or a laptop into a lesson, instant confiscation until the end of the day.

From the article "Most school systems already had cellphone bans in 2020, according to federal data, " ~77% of the school system had a ban in 2020.

Sure, so what are the other 23% doing? It seems blindingly obvious.

In a lesson you either pay attention or twiddle your thumbs.

In my schooling you'd get in trouble for, say, doing Biology homework in Physics class, and rightly so.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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This article is super surprising. You mean phones weren't already banned? I would have expected it to be like taking a Game Boy or a laptop into a lesson, instant confiscation until the end of the day.

From the article "Most school systems already had cellphone bans in 2020, according to federal data, " ~77% of the school system had a ban in 2020.

Nb. enforcement may differ substantially from policy.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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Parents have not idea whatsoever of the destruction that phones have wrought on the education system, both in the large and in the small. Students who claim otherwise are gaslighting their parents. Parents are unfortunately all too willing to believe the lies because of course their child is above average and would never completely tune out of class for another hit on the electronic crack pipe. At this point, the pro…

I didn’t have a phone until college but I still didn’t pay attention in class in high school. It seems like a fantasy to think that if not for smartphones students would be happily sitting quietly listening to teachers, then go home and studiously do their homework. That’s just never been the case at any point in history.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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This article is super surprising. You mean phones weren't already banned? I would have expected it to be like taking a Game Boy or a laptop into a lesson, instant confiscation until the end of the day.

A many-hundreds-of-dollars device that is the core nexus of all of one's social, parental, scholastic, and entertainment lives, which every student has on them at all times every single day, and which every single adult in the country is glued to at all times during the day, is a very different problem from one or two kids fiddling with GameBoys, yes. It's a new problem. It's going to take some time & experimentation…

But still, it's not a thing that should be used in most classes, and it doesn't belong there. Even back in time when "snake" was the best mobile "app" around (so old nokia times), if a student used a phone in class, the teacher would take it away, and a parent would have to come and pick it up in school.

Re: Students can’t get off their phones. Schools have had enough

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This article is super surprising. You mean phones weren't already banned? I would have expected it to be like taking a Game Boy or a laptop into a lesson, instant confiscation until the end of the day.

They are generally. But it's hard to enforce particularly when the parents back the kids. The idea of their child not having a phone at-hand 24/7 so they can be surveilled is quite intolerable to some parents.

The kids who first had iPhones in their teens or even tweens are now having kids. Many have been smartphone addicts themselves the last ten years or so. As an older millenial, my friends consider it unusual and unwise behaviour, a sign of my general eccentricity, that I sometimes leave the house with no electronics. How many adults experience discomfort when separated from their phone for more than a couple hours? They're in denial of their own addiction often, why would they see their child's?

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