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Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by Anderkent »

revdinosaur wrote: post #119
Anderkent wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? If a girl posts a picture of her in her underwear on the internet and she gets ridiculed for it, how is that victim blaming? She did something stupid, she got teased about it, case closed.

What if someone finds a box of photos containing some of your children in their underwear and scan them and trade them around the internet? Not all photos online were intended that way by the person who took them. To assume this is very convenient to your argument but not realistic in the broader view of what is being discussed. More to the point, you are misunderstanding the stage at which the girl is victimized; wh…

But that is a different case all together. If she didn't publish those photos, okay. Then publishing her photos is definitely reprehensible, ridiculing her is reprehensible, and trading those photos... Is probably wrong, but has no direct consequences on her, so I wouldn't be this quick to judge. The probability that someone who knows her will find the photos on the internet is not very high, is it?

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

tomjen3 wrote: post #83
jasonkester wrote: post #63

People tend to think of online communities as democracies where the freedoms they're accustomed to from their normal lives apply. So when a post gets deleted by a moderator, people tend to think of it as a freedom of speech issue. There's a whole constitution out there specifically defending anybody's right to create a pro-Nazi subreddit, and to otherwise post anything they please on the site so long as it's not ille…

You are right, in a legal sense, which is why there is no lawsuit over this issue. But reddit specifically said create your own subreddit and post what you want (as long as it is not spam). That is why this is such a big issue.

> But reddit specifically said create your own subreddit and post what you want (as long as it is not spam). That is why this is such a big issue.

A big issue? They updated the minimal set of rules the site runs by. If users don't like it, they can go elsewhere.

There's no issue here, just Redditors doing what they do best: creating a tempest in a teapot.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by streptomycin »

sixothree wrote: post #88
kijin wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exchanging child pornography is illegal in the United States (as well as in many other countries). There's nothing unreasonable about stating in your TOS that you can't have a subreddit the very existence of which breaks the law. Sure, people can try to reopen these subreddits under different names, but once the rule is in the TOS, they can be reported on and shut down as a matter of routine. The same applies to ware…

One of the reasons for removing /r/jailbait originally was that users were trading illegal files behind the scenes. I've heard of the same thing in /r/trees; Eg. seed exchanges and more.

> One of the reasons for removing /r/jailbait originally was that users were trading illegal files behind the scenes.

FWIW, that's just speculation. I think a more plausible explanation is the bad publicity from CNN.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by harshreality »

Mordor wrote: post #19

It's simple, shutdown anything criminal and keep the rest open.

The problem is that criminality is decided by a jury if a case like this goes to trial. In New York or San Francisco or even D.C., getting an obscenity or child porn conviction based on images of minors that are not nude, whether they're fully clothed or wearing swimsuits or bras, would be difficult. Getting an obscenity conviction for fictional depictions would be nearly impossible in those locations.

Then there are cases like the Christopher Handley manga case in Iowa, where he plead guilty to avoid the risk of a longer sentence for possession of purely fictional manga that a jury of his peers may well have deemed "obscene".

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by weavejester »

ugh wrote: post #115
sophacles wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. It isn't a slippery slope argument I am making. I am simply stating that when the rules change, people don't like it, for the mere fact of it. Whether or not the reason for their dislike is fallacious, a qualitative difference in an implicit or explicit agreement will affect the community experience, and will anger those who were happy under the previous arrangement. 2. If you want to argue about fallacies, perhap…

I did reply to your actual statements. I never claimed you defended pedos. Where did I do that exactly? I was stating that feeling betrayed by this change makes no sense at all. I cannot fathom how one can possibly feel betrayed by such a change. That’s all. Can you explain that to me? Huh?

As a third-party observer, I initially had the same reaction as sophacles, in that your comment appeared, at first, to be a strongly-worded straw-man argument.

However, now that I re-read it I can see your point, but your use of profanity and the general lack of civility in your comment obscured your argument. The tone of your comment was more like an accusation than a reasoned response, even if the content (minus the profanity) was not intended to be.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by EricBerglund »

zotz wrote: post #114
a_redditor wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The behavior you're describing (not being able to submit from a certain user account from a certain IP) is a result of reddit's quite sketchy spam filtering mechanism. Unless you have been notified that you've been banned from a certain community, your posts are simply being absorbed by the spam filter. You have also mistaken the views and actions of a specific community for the views and actions of the site owners.…

My posts have been actively deleted, not just caught in a spam trap. I'be had discussions with subreddit moderators and reddit admins. The majority of them dislike my political opinions, thus the active censorship. To restate my point: reddit has been actively deleting unpopular political opinion long before they thought about restricting kiddie porn. That kind of prioritizing is what's been instrumental in the herd…

Reddit and r/politics are not the same thing. Subreddits are user-created forums moderated as those creators see fit. Each subreddit chooses what it wants to see, how it wants to be moderated, and who will moderate. A particular sub community not welcoming you or your ideas is completely different from site-wide moderation.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by ugh »

weavejester wrote: post #125
ugh wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did reply to your actual statements. I never claimed you defended pedos. Where did I do that exactly? I was stating that feeling betrayed by this change makes no sense at all. I cannot fathom how one can possibly feel betrayed by such a change. That’s all. Can you explain that to me? Huh?

As a third-party observer, I initially had the same reaction as sophacles, in that your comment appeared, at first, to be a strongly-worded straw-man argument. However, now that I re-read it I can see your point, but your use of profanity and the general lack of civility in your comment obscured your argument. The tone of your comment was more like an accusation than a reasoned response, even if the content (minus th…

It was supposed to be an accusation. Some things deserve accusations. And profanities.

Sigh. I’m quite disillusioned about HN, actually. Not that it should surprise me, but damn. People here say the exact same things as on Reddit. If you squint a bit the reactions are the same. That doesn’t make me happy.

I do recognize that I can’t do many constructive things here (short of screaming at people) so I’m going to excuse myself from this thread. I won’t convince anyone anyway.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by wavephorm »

Reddit had the biggest hissy fit of all about how child porn laws like SOPA were going to go too far and ruin the internet. And here they go banning anything involving a bathing suit.

The hypocricy is strong in this one.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by dkersten »

Jun8 wrote: post #118

I can't believe the narrow-minded approach a lot of comments here suggest. Most of the people seem to subscribe to the argument, which in simplified form says, (1) the subreddits were full of child pornography (2) the people who frequent these were "pedos" and therefore (3) it's a good thing that these got axed. The terms CP and pedophilia are being thrown around without much thinking, the same way the general public…

ADDENDUM: For (2), also consider the widespread use of young girls in...

Don't forget child beauty pageants. That stuff is IMHO often borderline pedophilia.

Re: Reddit takes a new direction

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Post by scott_s »

ugh wrote: post #127
weavejester wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a third-party observer, I initially had the same reaction as sophacles, in that your comment appeared, at first, to be a strongly-worded straw-man argument. However, now that I re-read it I can see your point, but your use of profanity and the general lack of civility in your comment obscured your argument. The tone of your comment was more like an accusation than a reasoned response, even if the content (minus th…

It was supposed to be an accusation. Some things deserve accusations. And profanities. Sigh. I’m quite disillusioned about HN, actually. Not that it should surprise me, but damn. People here say the exact same things as on Reddit. If you squint a bit the reactions are the same. That doesn’t make me happy. I do recognize that I can’t do many constructive things here (short of screaming at people) so I’m going to excus…

The first statement of the actual Guidelines of HN is "Be civil." I find it strange that you're disillusioned with HN because your uncivil comment was not well received.
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